keeping your martial arts practical

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i think i am probably the deliverer of information that most "FMA" people hate to hear. i dont like seminars, i dont believe people who want to be teachers should take them for certificates. i dont like the fancy "drills" that every body swears is so traditional to the philippine style fighter. and i believe in proving your technique works, which people like to say " come to my seminar" or "buy my tape" and you will see that my stuff works.

in my opinion the philippine martial artist of the western world has become a coward who likes to talk tough and act tough. we have become scientist who hide behind fancy explanations and talk about "reality based" "close quarters" "military LEO" etc. these things sound tough, so people will assume that if you been in the military, or a cop, or you teach a lot of seminars and sell alot of videos, you are the real deal. "2,000 practioners across two continents can't be wrong about" is what one guy told to me.

the filipino fighter has always been a "show me" kind of person who doubt everything you do, because he thinks he can beat you. this is the source of true self confidence. the western FMA fighter is gullbal and is to easy to convince that "this is deadly ****!". most of my out of town students make the decision to study with me totally from email and looking at my website before they even meet with me. now i like this because it is good for business, but they will tell you, that i lecture them dont be so easy to convince. today the FMA artist is afraid to test himself, and its to easy to say "i fight only to the death" or "this art is for life and death combat, not sport". this the talk of cowards. you have to have a way to test yourself as close to the real thing.

now the philippines does not have a lot of history in books like many other countries, but is seems that now people feel they are free to write a history of their own, that we never had. now we have at least 3 arnisador who say his style is the style that lapu lapu used to kill magellan. kali is an art that any person from mindanao should know about. and kinamutai and dumug make a filipino style FILIPINO.

now my point. there is one way to prove your art works. and this is not in showing drills, or demonstrating cuts on a guy who moves slow motion (or a planned attack) in kenpo style. and if your feelings get hurt to easy, you will never be a fighter, because this is the behavior of women and children. if someone questions your style, this is not the occasion to get upset, but it should make you smile, and give you the opportunity to show off. when you speak about filipino tradition, this is one of them, the match, which is a dead tradition in this country.

there is a saying, the quickest way to kill your opponent with a knife comes in one move, a stab or a slash. when you make many fancy ways to do it, you have to finish it with a slash or a stab. now you tell me what is the most practical way to kill somebody other than that.

all philippine martial art styles will help the beginner. well, all martial art styles will help. they all have techniques you can use to cripple or knock out an attacker, and can help save your life. if you dont believe me, show me a technique you think is not practical, and i can use it to beat you up. the difference is, who has the fastest way to hurt an opponent, and who has more efficient way to do it. even a style people want to laugh at, like wu shu, will have techniques that are useful to the non-martial artist. but any style in the hands of a man with no confidence, or fake confidence, and he is too scared to use it, will be no use to him. just like a guy who is tough, and aggressive and has some tolerance to pain can use tae kwon do and whip you up.

so what is important to a style, especially when you want to stick to the philippine philosophy of combat, is these things:
- the quickest and efficient ways to stop your opponent
- the most damaging techniques to the most vulnerble weakness on the opponent
- a training plan that will give your student the speed power and durability to beat any opponent
- a study of fighting methods he might see on the street
- enough opponents to fight with so he will know what works for him and what doesnt'
- some kind of plan to make cowards tough, and tough guys more calm
- enough experience fighting that he will have no fear going into the fight

to many teacher put to mush importance to knowing all these variation and ways to do one thing. they have so many names, and things to memorize, the student never develops his reflexes that he can act with no thought. and students spent too much time looking at things like coordination and improvising and confusing that with fighting ability. if you stick to just what mattered, "can you stop me or can i stop you" (greg alland), you will probably loose all those non-practical things in your style.

and stop getting your feelings hurt so fast.
 
Hey Kuntawman,

I am right with you. Most people don't do enough research before they start a new style. I have wasted years of my life doing systems from all over the world that simply don't work.

If I had discovered that there were first generation students of Antonio Illustrisimo out there to learn from 10 years ago I would not have wasted my time with styles designed to fight enemies who died hundreds of years ago. The fact that our systems were so recently employed in earnest is the advantage that we Filipino MAs have over virtually everyone else. It is no coincidence that my other favourite system is one that can be learned (not perfected) in a matter of days. WWII combatives according to Fairbairn and Sykes gets right to the point.

A quote from Steven Seagal (yes the actor believe it or not, his movie persona is not his real persona.)
"Don't spend 10 years trying to perfect a system. Spend 10 years trying to find the perfect teacher".

I will NEVER stop questioning the validity of the techniques that I am learning. A good teacher who knows his system will welcome the chance to prove that his stuff works.
Cheers
Stu.
 
Boss Maurice,

I'm Pinoy like you, sir. Off-hand, can you tell us which of the many FMA styles out there are more qualitative? What should I tell my friend here in Manila who thinks I should quit going too far to train in Pekiti Tirsia and instead train with the local Arnis Cruzada club where they do chopsocky karate stick movements? Please give me a spiel that I can use on him.:)

I once went to your website and was a bit offended until I realized that what you were describing as ridiculous FMA systems were those newfangled American systems or at least the way or method they were being taught in the USA. I agree with all your posts on the other threads that training here in the Philippines is very different in approach.
 
Nice posts.

Brandon, I think the best way to convince your friend is to take him to class with you...
 
Maurice wrote:>has become a coward who likes to talk tough behind fancy explanations and talk about "reality based" "close quarters" "military LEO". these things sound tough, so people will assume that if you been in the military, or a cop, or you teach a lot of seminars and sell alot of videos, you are the real deal

Let's discuss your comments from various perspectives since you've touched on several issues.

I'm sure there are instructors who claim to teach or have taught a specific Military or Law Enforcement Organization collectively to simply pump their ego. In reality, they only taught one or two individuals that are Martial Arts enhusiasts. There is a BIG difference!

However, there are instructors who have presented FMA programs successfully to Military & LEO. Some teach it REGULARLY as part of a CURRICULUM to personnel. This is not an easy thing to do because of standards & stipulations of such organizations. It could take an upwards of a few years to approve. I believe Bill McGrath is one of them.

Associating "toughness" with Military & LEO personnel has often been a stereotype and understandably so. The fact that they put their lives on the line for our Nation demands RESPECT. Although there are some real "bad asses" among them!

I believe in the benefits of training with notable instructors of Reality Based Self-Defense & Military Combatives. It is not the techniques that appealed to me but the Psychological elements in their training methods and environment. Cross-training in other areas will undoubtedly make you a more well-rounded fighter but moreso for Sport. I don't think it addresses the countless scenarios and variables of a REAL street fight! RBSD & Combatives ARE some of the most practical methods of Self-Defense. I don't think it has anything to do with claims.

Seminars and videos are tools for marketing but again, there are some real "bad asses"!

John
 
I think that's one of the reasons that the Dog Brothers do what they do. Of course they just do it with sticks, but they can't do what they do with knives. They could, but there woulnd't be many Dog Brothers left if they did...
 
hi everybody, thank you for your comments
when i had a school in balitmore, maryland, i had many students who are cops, and many who are military. and i got to see what the department shows them (my military students got almost none at all, and my one student who is a SEAL retired, says he got very little hand to hand/cqc and knife), and i cant say that everything they showed to me was not practical, a lot of it was pretty good, and i use some of their ideas to in my class now.

one time i got to meet with a state trooper who teaches a class in arresting, since i was thinking about trying to teach police then (in the mid 90s that was the in thing for philippine style teachers). and on the floor of my school, i got his gun, i prevented him from getting anything from his belt, and it was very hard for him to get me to the floor, even though i am only 5'6" and i was only 150 then. but my point was that after that he said he was impressed, so i showed him my idea for what a cop should do, and almost everything i told to him, he said, hey as a cop i cant do that, and i cant do this. i learned that many things a police has, the average streetfighter does not have.
1. the cop has a gun and its fasten to his belt.
2. he has certain things he cant do, especially he has to use as little damage as he can in a quicker amount of time.
3. the police officer would probably wait until he has other police around if there is no danger right away, and then he can always pull his gun. but most of the time, there will be at least one more police there.
4, the police has a psychological advantage to an attacker that a guy on the street does not have.
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5. years of time on the street is not the same as years of fighting hand to hand. the police has advantage and tools the martial artist/streetfighter does not have, and a cop might be tough it doesnt mean he can teach to defend yourself to two or three guys.

back to my originial post, the teacher of fighting technique should include in his training
- a lot of sparring against many students, and most of them should be people OUTISDE the school. competition, whether you like it or not, it is your best test for effetiveness
- a lot of repetitions of basic techniques, hitting, coutnerhitting, kicking, evading and advancing
- and physical training. your students toughness and bravery comes from seeing his own strength multiply, and he should KNOW in his heart that his hands can cause damage and his body is durable enough to take the opponents abuse. most of the fear of fighting is the fear of getting hurt. if your body is strong and can take a beating, you lose that fear.

the philippine martial arts, with the philosophy if you keep to it, will keep you from being able to hide behind reputations, tough talk and fantasy situation. it always has been a "show me" style, and if you want to stay true to what made arnis the way it is today, become a "show me" teacher. i have people who tell me all the time that the JKD/Kali "hubad" drill makes you better in fighting, well my answer is, show me! all these sinawali makes you a better fighter? show me! coordination of these drills enhance your fight skill? show me! when was the last time you went to advanced testing in a FMA school, and the teacher asked for volunteers to "test" his candidates? see, if this tradition was still around, (and i am talking about the modern arnis/datu fighitng) the so-called undeserving guro would not be around!
 
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