Kel-Tec Firearms

I would get a Seecamp instead. I have heard about some serious reliability issues with Kel-Tec.
 
I don't think Seecamp makes a rifle in .223. :D Check out the Kel-Tec Owners group for everything Kel-Tec that you want to know. Nice guys and straight shooters.

www.ktog.org/

Jack
 
I have no experience with the rifle, but have had a P-11 for 3 years now. I consider it quite safe due to the long and hard triggerpull. You're not going to accidentaqlly pull the trigger on that pistol. I have had no reliability problems whatsoever. I carry it almost daily and practice with it at least a couple times a month (200 rds or so per session.).
 
Yea thx for the replies folks.

I am specifically interested in thier rifles , not pistols.

Also any other references to "low cost but quality" semi-auto rifles that havent been deemed illegal for us peasents to own would be appreciated.
 
i have shot one, a bud owns it, it seems to work ok, i prefer a AK or AR but if the law says ya cant have them thats one of the choices i guess(the KT), imho its a little liter than an SKS, no more accurate/reliable though, the looks take a little gettin used too.

as far as pistols i have had unbelievable success with my KT P32, thinner/liter than a seecamp, and about 1/2 the price, my wife carries one in her pocket 24/7, accurate, never a jam yet, good little pistol. not that seecamps are bad mind ya, but they arent 2X better than a KT, maybe as good, not aLOT better, and yes have shot them both, my neighbor carries a .32 seecamp when he mows the yard (if ya see him out of his house he has the seecamp in his pocket).

i have heard of some probs w/the .380, but the .32 is the bomb in pocket autos imho.
 
Wow , thanks for that link :)
Good info, I may order one tonight.
If I can bring myself to part with the cash hehehe.
 
save your money, if you want a rifle in .223 that is semi auto and is a "battle rifle" (I avoid using the term "assault" as it is PC) add about $100 to the price of the Kel-Tec and buy a bushmaster AR-15, or Olympic arms or other companies that make the AR-15 significantly less expensive than Colt. With the AR type rifle you have the advantage of parts availablity to either customize your rifle or make repairs to your rifle if they should become needed. Personally I would save $200-$300 more than the price of the Kel-Tec and get a Springfield M1A in .308
 
Looks like a neat gun, and the initial reviews look good, but every Keltec pistol that I have owned has broken. Not jammed, or been finnicky, but broken dead do not pass go no more rounds going down range. Granted this is a rifle, but I am just a little nervous about overall Keltec quality control. I hope that it proves to be solid because I really like the looks of it.

If you need a cheap defensive rifle, a non-Chinese AK of some variant is very hard to beat. Simple to clean and maintain, very reliable and plenty accurate for normal use. I have a Romanian with a 20rnd mag leaned up against my desk at home as I type this. If you want to spend a little more money then I would look at a HK91/G3 variant or an AR-15 / M-4 type carbine. If you really want to spend some $$$ and have a really nice rifle, grab you an M1A and be prepared to spend some money buying GI magazines for it.
 
It's flimsy. If you want to spend about 500-600 on a good rifle get a VEPR or Arsenal AK.

With the price of AK47's going up the above two are the only ones worth owning anymore. No sence spending $450 on a POS Romak when you can spend another $100 and do it right. It was different when the cheap-ass AK's were actually cheap.
 
I like Kel-tecs, and used to be hardcore into them. The folks that really like them are the tinkering type, because at least with the pistols they often need a little polishing or light sanding to get them 100%.

I concur with the other posters who opine that you might be best served to save up just a little more and get a 16" Bushmaster AR-15. Now that the commie assault weapons ban is gone, you can get a collapsable stock and other evil goodies like standard (hi) capacity mags. The M1A is a good choice too, as the .308 packs a serious punch, but these are heavier. I of course of both. :)

The only place where the Kel-tec would shine IMO is in initial cost, and if you need to stuff one in a backpack for hiking or SHTF purposes. Otherwise, get yourself an Ar-15. :thumbup:
 
lizardman_u said:
save your money, if you want a rifle in .223 that is semi auto and is a "battle rifle" (I avoid using the term "assault" as it is PC) add about $100 to the price of the Kel-Tec and buy a bushmaster AR-15, or Olympic arms or other companies that make the AR-15 significantly less expensive than Colt. With the AR type rifle you have the advantage of parts availablity to either customize your rifle or make repairs to your rifle if they should become needed. Personally I would save $200-$300 more than the price of the Kel-Tec and get a Springfield M1A in .308
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We bought our son a Bushmaster 2 years ago. Model # forgotten but it has the heavy [duty ?] barrel . He tried foreign ammo but the varnish/shellac coating wouldn't work too well. Smith told him close tolerances was the problem. Stick with U.S. ammo & he'd have a problem-free weapon. Years down the road wear from usage would permit the use of foreign ammo .
It is extremely accurate & has good balance. Compared to the M-! it is very easy to carry.


Safe shooting !

Uncle Alan
 
Just remember- The FEDERAL assault weapons ban has sunset, but in many states (CA,CT are two I know of), assault weapons bans are STATE law and are still in effect. In CT we can finally buy new-manufacture high capacity mags, but that is pretty much all that changed when the Federal law sunset. (still no flash hiders, bayonet lugs, collaps. stock yada, yada...) CA and NY laws are even worse. That being said, If you can legally buy an AR15-type rifle in CA, go that route. Make sure it can accept GI 20 and 30 rd. Mags though. I have Bushmasters and they work great.
 
And make sure the barrel and chamber are chrome lined!! (if this is going to be your SHTF field weapon).
 
For your 3rd or 4th .223 maybe. But my own Keltec experience is that their accuracy degrades much faster than an ar-15 or similar.

I think a mini-4 outshoots this one (but lacks the coolness factor)
 
mlot51 said:
Just remember- The FEDERAL assault weapons ban has sunset, but in many states (CA,CT are two I know of), assault weapons bans are STATE law and are still in effect.
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To the best of my knowledge, unfortunately this whole debate is moot. As I understand it, Kalifornia has a special "safety test" that all guns must pass before they are allowed to be sold in our lovely state. This test costs the gun manufacturers a good chunk of change.

Kel-Tec basically said "F U, state of Kalifornia!" and refused to pay for the "safety test." So, as far as I know, you cannot legally buy ANY Kel-Tec in this state. Has anyone ever seen a Kel-Tec 3-AT in a California gunshop? I think not.

Remember, San Francisco has banned all handguns, and does not allow the military to recruit at schools, either. Hi cap mags are still banned here, so called "assault weapons" are still banned, double edged knives are banned, push daggers are banned, anything with a blade that looks like a comb, shotgun shell, or whatever is banned, blowguns are banned, I'm just waiting for them to ban my mom's knitting needles!

Bruise
 
According to the "Equipped" review though it says it is availible in all 50 states, including California?? Scroll to the bottom and read "Overall".

http://equipped.org/Kel-Tec_SU-16_Review.htm

Dont know if that is accurate, but I would suspect the weapon needs to be "modified" so it will not accept Hi-Cap mags to be Cali-legal.
 
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