Ken-nata test

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I posted a thread about my new knife before:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=275084
I finally tested these knives. This kind of knives are called KEN-NATA(Knife-Hachet) in Japan. I bought two of them from Toyokuni.
One has the blue-paper2 steel edge sandwiched between damascus irons. The other one has the blue-paper-super edge sandwiched between ordinary wrought irons. Both has the same size,30cm blade ,34mm width,6mm in thickness. The difference between super and blue-paper is the amount of C,Cr,and W added for more hardness.
I take these ken-natas and my Becker Machax ,Ontario Spec-plus tanto 10h to the woods. My test was not scientific, only chopping the small cedars(around 10cm in diameter). Strike knives into the sedars of apparently the same size in turn.
Ken-natasf cutting power was superb. Thanks to its thin convexed edge with the angle of about 23 degrees and smooth finish, blade bit into the live cedars with small sounds and hand-shocks. Cuts were very clean.
I tried my old heavy Machax next. I think this is an axe. I knew its dependable 29 degree edge would get the job done well. But after my new ken-natas, I felt as if it exploded the wood, bouncing off and scattering wood chips around. The damages of each strokes to the tree were big, but cuts were not clean compared to the ken-natafs.
My new spec-plus tanto betrayed its impressive appearance. It just bounced off the tree and left small scratches on the bark.
It is too light for its original wide-angled edge.

After the round one, I noticed one of my ken-nata,with super edge, was warped.Unfortunately this kind of hand-forged knives with Sanmai(3 layer) structure are tend to have uneven quality.
Its manufacturing process was largely depend on the each craftsmanfs own technique. I will make them to replace this to new one, but I also think 6mm-thickness is a little thin for the tough use of 30cm blade. Another ken-nata with damascus blue-paper2 was not warped after hacking down 30 trees. They said this damascus part is consist of a steel for rail and a ordinary wrought iron, so the knife after tempering process is on the harder side than the ordinary Sanmai.
Edge retention of blue-paper is excellent. I think there will be no need for sharpening as long as it cut live cedars.
Stabbing test:
This bayonet-like ken-nata is used for finishing off the trapped games. After stunning the games like boars, deers with club, hunters use this long knife.It may appear very inhumane for us now.
I have the knife in double hands and stabbed into the straw mat 30 times with all my strength. I worried about the brittleness of the tip, but there was no sign of wear.
This knife is very vulnerable to the corrosion, but very useful in the japanese woods.
Thank you for the long reading.
 
Tasogare :

After the round one, I noticed one of my ken-nata,with super edge, was warped.

Was the edge just bent, or the whole blade?

Thanks for the report, that is a fine looking knife. Japanese blades in general sure do cut well.

-Cliff
 
Cliff:

Its edge line was bent to the left from handle. The back place was okay. Traditinal single-edged hachet seemed to be more appropriate for chopping from one side.
 
That is the part that always makes me hesitant about such blades, if the steel is as hard as promoted I really am skeptical that it can be so readily deformed. Similar problems have been seen with Murray Carters knives which also have the same materials. Frankly I wonder if the blades are actually hardness tested on a regular basis as they seem to be to perform far below the 64+ HRC often quoted.

-Cliff
 
I also doubtful about the hardness of HRC65 they tout. I think it was intended to be around HRC60 actually on purpose.
Surely blue-paper-super is used for top grade sushi knives and it is extremly sharp. But cooks never use them when they cut thick bone or frozen fish. They know it is too hard and brittle for them.
So as hachet edge,lower grade,white-paper(HRC60) or blue-paper is enough and more suitable.However we opt for "super" because it is supposed to be the best.
I don't know much about the steel.But as for my test knife,I think my knife was bent as they made my knife on too much soft side.
 
I have been thinking about buying of these knives for some time. Thank you for the review.
 
me too. I have been considering getting a takeshi saji for the longest time, for use as a short machete....
 
bladefan said:
anywhere we can get these stateside?
A google search for " ken-nata" will give you several stateside sources for this style of knife. I've handled the ones Seki-Cut has displayed at the Blade West shows and they seem very well made.
Regards,
Greg
 
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