Kershaw Induction

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Hypermole

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What is up with Kershaw making the blade length on this knife 3.1"?

With 3" being the legal limit here in Michigan this means I cannot carry this knife concealed?

I would also like to see it made here in the U.S.A.

Love the blade shape and Hawk lock but come on. The law needs to be changed here or Kershaw needs to get with the public.
 
Sure, all knife makers should only make Michigan legal knives! Change those 110's Buck~
 
I'm not saying ALL knives should be 3" or less but 3.1"?

I hope are in Michigan law is changed soon.
 
The Induction is definitely on my list. Hawk designs are invariably a ton of fun and this one is nice and affordable.
 
Hypermole said:
With 3" being the legal limit here in Michigan this means I cannot carry this knife concealed?
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This is not necessarily true.

A person shall not, with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another, go armed with a pistol or other firearm, or a pneumatic gun, dagger, dirk, razor, stiletto, or knife having a blade over 3 inches in length, or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument.
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Source: http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-750-226

People v Vaines established that intent to use against another is not presumed; it must be proven. Therefore, carry of non-switchblade folding knives with blades longer than 3" is perfectly legal if you don't intend to assault or murder anyone.
 
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When I spoke to the police they told me no more than 3" concealed. No double edged or switchblades. But if it's not concealed up to any length.

I'll have to get it in writing again. But I hope your right.

Thanks
 
"The police" are not a reliable source to consult for knife laws whether in writing or not. Based on a review of the Michigan statutes unless you are carrying a "...a dagger, dirk, stiletto, a double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument..." see Sec. 750.227 an automatic knife as defined by Sec. 750.226 or any knife over three inches "...with intent to use the same unlawfully against the person of another..." see Sec. 750.226 a knife over three inches may be lawfully carried whether concealed or not. If the state can prove you were carrying a knife with a blade in excess of three inches with the intent to do harm to another then you could be charged with a felony but that doesn't mean it is unlawful to simply carry such a knife whether concealed or not.
 
Hypermole said:
When I spoke to the police they told me no more than 3" concealed. No double edged or switchblades. But if it's not concealed up to any length.
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In addition to Vinifera's remarks, which I agree with, you are not the first person I have heard claim that police officers in Michigan were claiming this. I'm unclear if it's merely a good-faith misconception among Michigan officers or if they are intentionally lying.

Yes, when you ask cops about the legality of carrying weapons, there is a strong chance they will... bend the truth in an attempt to discourage you from doing so. Reason being, most everyone they meet in there normal duties is generally a scumbag, which causes cops to develop a highly cynical view of the general population, and that everyone doesn't wear the badge is a crook or a moron who can't be trusted with weapons. I ran into this a lot when I was doing research in my own state. I would ask a cop "Is X legal?" They'd say "No," and I'd pull out my pocket law book and say "But according to the statute, it only says Y and Z are illegal." And they'd get a little flustered and say that's just what they were told in training and run off on some tangent about how "it will only be used against you." (which incidentally is also untrue)
 
I had a police officer grab my knife when I managed a store and had to walk to the bank and make large deposits.
After we talked and I showed him a piece of paper with what I was told and when I called and asked, with the police officer's name and date of the call. He gave me back my Cold Steel Scimitar and said "nice knife". It was in full view and not concealed. I'd rather carry my knifes in my pocket and this was about 7 years ago.
 
Try using a piece of paper from a police officer as a defense in a court of law. Alternatively a competent defense attorney would get a laugh out of a piece of paper from a police officer indicating in his "learned opinion" you are guilty of an offense which is contrary to the law. I'm already responded to your question with citations and am not going to argue with you but I'll just leave it with don't rely on a police officer for legal advice.
 
Vinifera said:
Try using a piece of paper from a police officer as a defense in a court of law. Alternatively a competent defense attorney would get a laugh out of a piece of paper from a police officer indicating in his "learned opinion" you are guilty of an offense which is contrary to the law. I'm already responded to your question with citations and am not going to argue with you but I'll just leave it with don't rely on a police officer for legal advice.
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I'm not arguing. Just gave my experience.

The best advice I've heard is to say nothing. Ask for a attorney but say nothing else if you carry a knife and are arrested.

Heck the pocket clip could be used as a argument that it was not concealed.
 
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