Kershaw Shallot - S110V or ZDP-189?

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I like my JYDII CBs a lot - great knifes. I also like the looks of the Shallot - and think one would be a nice addition to my Scallion, Blurs, and Leeks. The two, I suppose CB-style, upgrade blades, S110V and ZDP-189, are currently available at the same price. With ultimate hardness/wearability, and lack of chipping, a goal, which would be better?

Another concern... can either be 'touched up' edgewise with a basic Spydie Sharpmaker? Other concerns? Thanks!

Stainz
 
Steel is steel, no matter how you will call it :p

Used to have both Shallots you've mentioned.
The biggest difference between them is blade thickness and finish.
ZDP 189 is a bit thinner blade than 110V and -> has thinner cutting edge.
I works pretty good in light and moderate cutting. For more intensive or HD use, I'd choose the 110V version.
Edge holding and other...
IMO both are comparable. ZDP seem to hold the "shaving" edge slightly longer than 110V.
Both are sharpening quite easy if you have diamond rods or something similar :D
Optically - I like the 110V more due to the stonwashed blade. On the other hand, CB blade is also cool (even if sandblasted).

Buy both :cool:
 
I like the ZDP-189 - I have one - and it is razor sharp.

I touch it up on a sharpmaker.
 
amper124 said:
Steel is steel, no matter how you will call it :p

Used to have both Shallots you've mentioned.
The biggest difference between them is blade thickness and finish.
ZDP 189 is a bit thinner blade than 110V and -> has thinner cutting edge.
I works pretty good in light and moderate cutting. For more intensive or HD use, I'd choose the 110V version.
Edge holding and other...
IMO both are comparable. ZDP seem to hold the "shaving" edge slightly longer than 110V.
Both are sharpening quite easy if you have diamond rods or something similar :D
Optically - I like the 110V more due to the stonwashed blade. On the other hand, CB blade is also cool (even if sandblasted).

Buy both :cool:
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+1

If you want one with more of razor edge go ZDP. If you like a bit of thicker handle go with the 110v. To me the ZDP is almost too thin, and if I knew I was going to be doing a lot of heavy cutting I would go with the 110v for comfort.
 
Stainz said:
I like my JYDII CBs a lot - great knifes. I also like the looks of the Shallot - and think one would be a nice addition to my Scallion, Blurs, and Leeks. The two, I suppose CB-style, upgrade blades, S110V and ZDP-189, are currently available at the same price. With ultimate hardness/wearability, and lack of chipping, a goal, which would be better?

Another concern... can either be 'touched up' edgewise with a basic Spydie Sharpmaker? Other concerns? Thanks!

Stainz
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I strongly recommend you to have both of them - for sure S110V, which is still wonder steel with such an out of Earth composition (Nb! Co!). I am not sure if it will be available in the future. You are for sure more collector then average user having Scallion, Blurs, and Leeks. JYDII CB. So while it is still available you should get S110V.

You will not have trouble sharpening both with Spyderco ceramic. I had some trouble making it hair whittling - but I do not see this as problem at all, but more like as an unique feature, showing high volume of very hard carbides. Because with all other practical respects it became as sharp as any other steel - I can whittle hair when it is under tention and it cut my finger skin top layer without drawing blood as any other steel.

So I would recommend you rush and at least secure S110V until it is too late.

For ZDP189 - I just do not like Shallot design and rather choose some othe model with this steel, it is more available then CPM S110V.

Reagrds, Vassili.
 
It is my understanding that less than 1500 Shallots were made in ZDP 189, and under a thousand in s110V, so any available would presumably be found on the aftermarket or something akin to the exchange here. At 65HRC, and an approximate 40 degree inclusive edge, my Shallot was remarkable with regards to get and stay keen. At 67 the edge all but disintegrated under stress. A lengthy and daunting undertaking that I'd probably do again...under different parameters... were the requisite steels to be found, but good luck on that. Hens teeth.
 
I have several Shallots in 110V. I bought them to try out the super steel. I don't like the heavy stainless steel handles or the recurve, but I have to say that the micro edge is holding up extremely well. This is not too surprising given the plethora of hard Vanadium carbides (82 RwC) and the even harder Niobium carbides.
 
tiguy7 said:
I have several Shallots in 110V. I bought them to try out the super steel. I don't like the heavy stainless steel handles or the recurve, but I have to say that the micro edge is holding up extremely well. This is not too surprising given the plethora of hard Vanadium carbides (82 RwC) and the even harder Niobium carbides.
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Has that actually been confirmed? I can't find a source for it, and crucible also mentions that their S35VN is supposed to be easier to grind than S30V. Phil Wilson also notes that S110V is easier to grind than S125V.
 
One would imagine that 3.25% Carbon and 12% Vanadium would make...the Columbium in s110v notwithstanding... s125v more difficult to grind than s110v, but since none of these things are precisely linear that's nothing more than a wild ass guesstimate.
 
Try the bay, I doubt these guys from 2011 will be of much help. Both of them, especially the S110V shallot are very rare now days and command a premium. Good luck with your search...
 
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