Kershaw speed safe buying advice wanted

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I want to get one to see how this speed assist opening works. I already have several one hand single blade lock backs, (ka bar dozier, spyderco calyspo jr, schrade xtimer, etc) that are all pretty similar so I wouldn't mind something a little different but since I do have all those, I don't want to spend a lot. It probably will just go into a rotation with those for occasional carry.

The rainbow ones look pretty cool but are they obnoxious in "real life".

I have read that the chive(?) is a bit small for big hands, but I'm looking for input on what I should buy and where to buy it. Thanks.
 
The Chive is pretty small. I have it because my work only allows blades of 2" or less. But I also have a Rainbow Leek and I would consider it my favorite folder. It looks so nice that I rarely carry it. The Speed Safe Assist works great and I love it. I hate going to a manual-open knife after carrying the Kersaw assists. I wouldn't hesitate to get a Leek if I were you. I plan on getting a regualr stainless one to carry daily outside of work.

BTW... I have never handled a sharper factory edge than the ones that came on my Rainbow Leek and Chive. Scary sharp. And I don't think they're all that "obnoxious" looking. But there are many colors to choose from if you are worried about that. The Black Ti ones look pretty cool.
 
Are all the leeks speed safe? I noticed that some of the sites specifically say they are and some don't mention it.
 
I think of the Chive as being the size of a keychain knife or a large tie clasp. I would go for a Leek. (Actually I did go for a Leek). The index finger opening option is particularly nice. If you find a good store you can see what colors appeal to you. I am reluctant to get fancy colors due to wear.
 
You should be able to go to a local knife store and try them out. I checked out a Chive recently and it did feel a bit small. I don't have very large hands. Also the smooth chrome-like finish on the one I handled also made it slippery. I ordered a Scallion and I will likely have it in early January.
 
stevekt said:
You should be able to go to a local knife store and try them out. I checked out a Chive recently and it did feel a bit small. I don't have very large hands. Also the smooth chrome-like finish on the one I handled also made it slippery. I ordered a Scallion and I will likely have it in early January.


Local knife store? I live in Rutland Vermont, there are no knife stores! The walmart and the gun shop might have some buck knives, if you're lucky! Thats why I'm so pesky on here, I don't have the opportunity to physically see\try out a knife before I buy it. Probably why I have so many too. Its easier to buy something on the internet becasue it doesn't feel like real money,.
 
The G10 scales on the Avalanche are excellent. I have a couple other knives with G10 handles but the texture on the Avalanche is more pronounced or rougher, I don't know how to put it better than that.

I like the Avalanche very much. It's in my EDC rotation and it fits my hand perfectly but I don't have a large hand.

Hopefully you can locate a store that carriers Kershaw so you can try before you buy. I bought mine at a gunshow after handling it. I went there for a Benchmade but left with the Kershaw.
 
Shann said:
Local knife store? I live in Rutland Vermont, there are no knife stores!

888knivesrus.com has what looks like a good return policy:

888 Knives R Us tries to provide you with all the information to make a informed final decision about the products you intend to purchase, before you checkout. We do however recognize that we are a web store and sometimes the real thing in your hand may not be just what you expected, or your financial situation may change. Whatever the case, we want to keep you, our customers, happy and as such provide for returns and exchanges under the following guidelines.

You may return your product(s) for a full refund within 7 days of the date of receipt.
You may exchange your product(s) at their purchase price within 14 days of the date of receipt.

They carry Kershaw. I've never bought from them but they carry the BBB Online icon so I wouldn't hestitate to give them a try.
 
I have carried a zytel scallion, very sharp, very pocket friendly and the speed safe is impressive. For around thirty bones its an awesome knife. I recently gave a black boron leek as a gift and it was sweeet! It is a thin elegant knife with a super sharp and pointy blade and the black boron coating looks great. Not flashy but very classy. I found it at 1sks at a better price then anywhere else on line. I haven't gotten myself one yet but its on the list and I think would make a very cool gents knife at less then sixty bucks.

As far as I know all of the leeks are speed safe assisted.

They are very cool knives whatever flavor you choose.
 
Shann, check out your Wal-mart. They ususally stock Kershaw Vapors and some speedsafe models unless your local authorities have discouraged it.
 
the avalanche is a great knife, but i wish it had a deeper choil
i once cut my finger when pushing the tip into drywall and it slipped
 
In some areas where these assisted openers are sold the local police and the law does indeed consider them in the same catagory as automatics. I live in such an area. I was told by a couple of my friends in my town that are both retired and active police officiers that these would be confiscated and a fine would be most likely written up for illegal carry of a controlled weapon or concealed carry of a deadly weapon or some such thing.

Even with this being the case many of the wal-mart employees carry the black out on their pocket while working and as EDC.

I have the Black Out, Scallion and the Chive. My favorite is the Scallion because of its size and the ease of getting to the liner lock as opposed to the Chive. The frame lock on the Chive is harder for my fat fingers to operate for some reason.

The Black Out is a wonderful knife but I like the blade locks the Scallion and Chive have and worry about the BO opening accidentally in my pocket. I do like the black finish and the feel of it though.

All are razor sharp as has already been noted.

Be prepared to replace the assisted opening springs. I've had to replace two so far both on the Scallion.

My brother said he used to chew his nails but not anymore. Now he sits and flicks his Scallion all day long. He has replaced 5 springs in his knife and keeps a stock of them in his knife cabinet for when he breaks the next one. Good thing Kershaw readily mails them out to you as you need them. When I called their customer service to get a new one they sent me five even though I asked for one. Kinda tells you they know they will break eventually if flicked alot.

One of my frequently carried knives is my modified Scallion that I took off the flipper or wing for opening it. I also took out the assisted opening spring and use it as a regular one hand opener and it has worked just fine for me and given me a sense of ease to carry in legally in my area. I can always go back to the assisted opening later if I like but for me it made more sense to make it so I couldn't be arrested or fined for carrying it and since I liked it so much I wanted to carry it every now and then without worry.

I'm licensed to carry a handgun here but if caught with this 'auto' folder I'd still be fined for concealed carry if I got caught with it by one obno by the book cop. Go figure. If that happened I'd lose my concealed carry license to carry my gun so I don't risk it. Sometimes these laws are just stupid!. You'd think if I am legal to carry a gun that anything less would be inconsequencial and of little concern but oh no! Not in Oklahoma. The law is clear. I have copies of it pasted in below for anyone that doesn't believe me.

Note in the revised Oklahoma statute they have now added 'Spring-type of knife, and 'knife opening automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device that is inside the handle of the knife". ( This can be interpretted a couple of ways as the spring is inside the handle of the knife on Ken Onion designed assisted openers and the mechanism is activated by a button that is pushed even though the button is on the blade. It is up to you to decide. It depends on who you ask about it in law enforcement as to the answer you'll get. Regardless it is a very gray area and by no means black and white with spring type of knives.)

I was told by my friends that this revision was done specifically to cover the new assisted openers showing up all over the state during routine traffic stops and at crime scenes.

I would suggest really checking into the laws in your state before a purchase of one of these assisted opening knives, or maybe at the least before you elect to make it your everyday carry knife. Since 9-11 the chances of the police being lenient have significantly dropped so the odds are they will follow the book.

It may be if you are risking a fine and possible jail time for having this on you as well as the loss of the knife that you may elect to just get a good Spyderco or some other easy opener. Or, go the for the full ball of wax and just get a fully automatic knife and carry that.

I have only copied the first paragraph here. It goes on to give exemptions for when carry of some of these mentioned weapons is allowed. IE: Re-enactments of historical events, for sporting purposes of hunting, or fishing but there is no exemptions for the carry of switch blades or knives as mentioned above. Autos, and spring type activated knives are illegal in Oklahoma period. Even for licensed concealed carry gun toters like myself. Your state may differ so my advice would be to study that some first. Here is a link to get you started.

http://www.amatecon.com/switchblade.html

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WOW, that could possibly be the longest post I've ever seen. Not that I read the whole thing.





I second (third, fourth, whatever) the Scallion. What can I say, I love it. I havn't been able to break a spring yet. Oh, the Scallion is barely big enought for my hand, I'm 15 and have hands on the (slightly) smaller side .


Smaller local hardware stores may also have knives. Prepare to see great deals and highway robberies.
 
I handled a Black Out at Wal-mart, not realizing that it had an assisted opening feature. It felt like it would jump right out of my hand! I have no particular need for this feature, but I do think it's neat, so I'm thinking of getting a Black Out or the similar Whirlwind.

Is it difficult to replace the springs?

The legality of one is not something I had thought about though. The fact that they are selling them at a dept. store makes me think that they're not a problem around here.
 
With a broken spring, is the knive functional? Just like a regular knife? In other words if you wanted to could you remove it and get around the auto laws and then just have a regular knife?
I am looking at the Boa, for that S60V blade!
 
Sorry if the post was too long for some of you. I wanted to cover this thouroughly though. These knives can get otherwise law abiding tax paying citizens into trouble if flicked open in the wrong places. Just because your local dept. stores sell them does not mean they are legal. Check your state laws as it is probably legal to own them but illegal to carry them or have them on or about your person.

There are plenty of stories both here and over at the knife forum and other forums of people being arrested for having these assisted openers on them as well as stories of people borrowing them and being severely cut because they didn't know they were assisted openers.

Since some of you are sensitive to the length of posts I won't get into that. If you want to find these stories you can do that search yourselves.

As for the questions posted.

No it is not hard to take these knives apart or to put them back together. The spring mechanism is very simple and if you notice how it comes out you'll be able to figure out easy enough how to replace it. You just need the correct size torx wrench for the job. The machining is so precise they go right back where they belong when you put them back together.

On my Scallion the blade functioned fine when opened except that the detent ball to hold it shut did not operate because a hole had never been drilled into the blade from the factory so it would function. Probably because the spring actually acts to hold the blade down or shut when it is closed. The Scallion and Chive are more likely to open in your pocket without the springs functioning than with and mainly because of the flipper which pushes it opened if bumped in the pocket.

This is why I removed the flipper in the first place. You will need the lock more than ever if the spring does break on you, and especially if the one you have has a flipper on it. I drilled a small shallow hole in the blade of my knife after marking it and now the detent ball works as it should. Opening in the pocket by gravity is no longer an issue on mine without ths spring installed but it will most likely be on one from the factory. To avoid accidental opening until you acquire a new spring just use the lock to keep the blade closed.

For the record, on my Black Out the detent ball works as a hole has already been drilled into the blade from the factory for the little ball bearing to fall into when the blade is closed. I do not know if my Scallion was just missed or if all are this way, but my Scallion had no detent ball hole drilled in the blade from the factory.

They must all be this way. I just checked my Chive and the detent ball does not function on it either. Apparently these models come from the factory with ball bearings installed on the locks but no hole in the blade for some reason.
 
The Scallion is also sold at Sears and Orchard Supply with a Craftsman label. You'd be more likely to convince a LEO a knife is for utility purposes if it has Craftsman on it.
 
Go just get a normal one you like and take it to an engraver. ;) Put Craftsman on the blade and you're gold.
 
Over the years I've gone through a Ricochet, Boa, Whirlwind, (Boron Carbide Coated) Chive, and Leek. The Ricochet and Boa both spent a year+ each as my primary EDC with no problems. The Whirlwind I just didn't like because of the plastic handles. The Leek and Chive both have a very strong "thwack" to them and are both pretty sharp. The Chive is pretty small, but the flipper makes it easy to open and I always liked that I could hide the blade in my hand while using it at work--big difference from when I pull my LCC out to open a box. The BC coating also holds up really well on my Chive, but the mirror finish makes it a little more slippery than I'd like. The Leek is probably a better size and I like the wharnie blade for utility purposes, though it is on the flatter side for a knife so may not be as comfortable for hard use. I've never used any safety on any of the assisted openers--to me it just defeats the purpose of buying an assisted opener--and I can say that the asissted openers have not opened in my pocket any more than any non-assisted opener that I have.

jim1000--the Boa is a great EDC, although it is a little on the heavy side and my Boa never opened with the same strength as the Chive or Leek. The only thing I want to mention is do not let the blade get dull--if you have any experience with the CPM440V (S60V) then you'll know that while it holds an edge a really long time, it is a pain to get sharp if you let it get dull.
 
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