KERSHAW's own... OFFSET vs. SPEC BUMP

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FliGuyRyan

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I was wondering about on Kershaw's website and saw the Offset, remembering that I had read the article in a magazine about it featuring one of the first (if not, THE first) Metal Injection Mold (MIM) blades on the market.

Now, I have two inquiries... one about the blade material -is it S30V, or 440C- and the other about it's own competitor, the Spec Bump - soon to be in S30V.

Opinions on both topics will be read, and appreciated. Is the extra cost of the Offset worth it? I'm obviously unfamiliar with the MIM technology...

Thanks again fellow knife-nerds...
Cleary
 
I think the Offset is cool, but I think the extra cost is just for the sake of MIM being a new thing and expensive to do (currently).

The Spec Bump has better steel (S30V or 154CM) and better handle material (G-10). I think it is a better knife.

There's a reason the Spec Bump is so popular. The old Blue and Green Titanium framelock Bumps may be the premium Bumps, and the Offset may be Bump-like and more expensive, but the Spec Bump is the king, IMO.
 
I am holding my Offset as I type (great manual dexterity, huh?). It is MIM 440C, which, as I understand it, has somewhat different properties than "normal" 440C. It is an awesome looking knife. The complex multiple angles and grinds and molded-in designs, easy with the MIM process, and virtually impossibe otherwise, are quite remarkable.

It would be a bit bulky and heavy as an EDC, for me. But, since I don't carry my limited edition knives, and it's a 1 in a 1000, the size is unimportant.

Well worth the $200, to me, to add to my collection.

David
 
Kershaw Offset is kind of virtual knife! It is absolutely impossible to get one. One sad they make 30 of them other 100 a month. It may be really good knife, but without possibility to get one it is just virtual thing. Seems like MIM technology is quite slow in production.

Why discuss something if it is not available?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
nozh2002 said:
Kershaw Offset is kind of virtual knife! It is absolutely impossible to get one. One sad they make 30 of them other 100 a month. It may be really good knife, but without possibility to get one it is just virtual thing. Seems like MIM technology is quite slow in production.

Why discuss something if it is not available?

Thanks, Vassili.
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Wait a minute! Are you saying I paid $200 for knife that I am hallucinating is in my left hand as I peck away with my right?

Damn! My aluminum foil hat is clearly not working :(

David
 
"Wait a minute! Are you saying I paid $200 for knife that I am hallucinating is in my left hand as I peck away with my right?

Damn! My aluminum foil hat is clearly not working

David"

I am not sure about you hallucinating, but if you really read my post I bet you'll be able to understand it.

Thanks, Vassili.
 
mim's supposed to be faster and cheaper I thought, no mills running, no bits wearing out, no wasted metal

I think a lot of gun enthusiasts still don't trust mim because mfg. imperfections can leave bubbles in the piece, big weak points for failures
 
In terms of availablity on the Offset...spoke to Kershaw this week and finally got someone who knew the biz. I ordered mine last October and have been getting pretty impatient to see it. Anyway, they are making ~100/month and current orders have spoken for at least the next nine month's production. They are currently filling orders from late summer. So, not a virtual knife, just a production knife with the wait time of a good custom knife...:p
 
nozh2002 said:
I am not sure about you hallucinating, but if you really read my post I bet you'll be able to understand it.
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On your planet, Vassili, the words "absolutely impossible to get one", "without possibility to get one", and "not available" must have a different meaning than here on Earth, so, I apologize for misunderstanding you.

David
 
sammiesdad said:
On your planet, Vassili, the words "absolutely impossible to get one", "without possibility to get one", and "not available" must have a different meaning than here on Earth, so, I apologize for misunderstanding you.

David
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I'll memorize you comment in the deep of my hard...

Thanks, Vassili.

Wow! This Ignore List thing really works!
 
^and that was no typo :D

all I can think is muda udare po dupe (I know it's not russian, but I don't know russian)
 
I would not pay a premium for an MIM blade. In the gun undustry many of hte small parts went to MIM as a way to cut machining costs. The resulting parts have had mixed success and buyers of higher end guns usually look to aviod any MIM parts if they can help it. I find it funny that it being new in the knife industrly would demand a premium. I'd pass and go for the traditional blade if it were me.
 
Hair said:
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The Spec Bump has better steel (S30V or 154CM) and better handle material (G-10). I think it is a better knife.
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Just a clarification. The first and current Spec Bump uses
"CPM 154CM", not "154CM". Similar enough, but CPM 154CM is a grade above standard 154CM. Terzuola and DDR have used CPM 154CM in some of their latest folders, and a rep from Crucible explained the differences here awhile back. Basically, because it benefits from the CPM process, CPM 154CM is a step up from 154CM. Some manufacturers (Spyderco included) ran tests on CPM 154 and reported results above standard 154CM. Also, it was produced to offer a steel close in performance to S30V, but that was easier for makers to finish.

So, it's not quite the performer as S30V, but reasonably close. And yeah, the Spec Bump will be available in S30V soon, I believe. (Except I think the handle grooves are changing to a radial pattern...I like the grooves on mine as is.)

I personally wouldn't mind checking out an Offset and props to Kershaw for bringing MIM to the mass market- but I can't see forgoing a Spec Bump for one if I had to make a choice. (For that matter, I can't really see moving from CPM 154 CM to S30V, but whatever.)

Spec Bump's dang good. Probably a lot better than most would give Kershaw credit for, given their product line of the past. Good stuff typically, but always not quite *there* yet from what I saw over the years. The Spec Bump seems to be tangible evidence that '06 will be a break-out year for Kershaw.

Between the two, I'd get the Spec Bump first, and then the Offset once it was widely available and less expensive.

Just flappin' my gums like usual. :p
 
Gum flappin' is what this forum is for.

And when the flappin' is also informative, all the better.
 
Wow... I wasn't informed about the CPM 154CM, vs the regular stuff... interesting.

I'll wait for the S30V Spec Bump.
Thanks guys...
Cleary
 
hardheart said:
^and that was no typo :D

all I can think is muda udare po dupe (I know it's not russian, but I don't know russian)
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it's not russian but swear words for sure. Please do not use them in Eastern Europe for you own safety.
 
hardheart said:
mim's supposed to be faster and cheaper I thought, no mills running, no bits wearing out, no wasted metal

I think a lot of gun enthusiasts still don't trust mim because mfg. imperfections can leave bubbles in the piece, big weak points for failures
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The Offest blade has also been through the H.I.P (Hot Isostatic Pressing) process which basically takes care of those issues. This process is in its infantcy it will just take some time to gain efficiancy.
 
Lenny_Goofoff said:
it's not russian but swear words for sure. Please do not use them in Eastern Europe for you own safety.
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lol, I guess it's the universal language, I'll be careful if I end up in the Balkans.:cool:

And I don't think ppl should be arguing semantics with someone like Vassili, whose grasp of technical terminolgy in non-native tongue is really excellent.
 
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