KeyChain Firestarter

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Saw these: http://www.hmfire.com/keyring.php

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Anything else better out there?

Right now I carry a slim model Zippo with a zippo condom over the the midsection to keep the fuel in. Works great, but always looking for smaller, lighter, stronger. Best place to buy?

Thanks!

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The Boy Scouts of America have similar firestarters. I picked up a few a couple years ago, they were about two bucks each then. I imagine they still sell them, at B.S.A. stores.
 
I've got a magnesium bar that's not too much bigger than that, and it comes with a ball chain to hook it onto your keyring. I've also got the BSA model hooked to my SAK, and it works pretty well. Somehow I never find myself hurting for some sort of steel to strike it against. .
 
http://www.light-my-fire.com/firesteel/?CatId=2

The Swedish FireSteels are hard to beat. Thanks to Bagheera I have few at my place these days. The only drawback for your application is the size of the lanyard attachment. The bulky plastic "cap" might be a little much for your slimed down profile request.

The other option that pops to mind immediately are the already mentioned cheap Magnesium blocks that you can get at Wal-Mart for ~$3. Nothing extra, very minimalist in form and function.
 
I found that a little steelwool works better than magnesium blocks.
 
TPU, I just picked up a couple last week at a local boyscout store. $2.30 each.

ACMarina, the artificial flints do not need steel to strike against. In true flint and steel, itis the steel itself that is shaved off and makes a spark. In the artificial flints like the boyscout model and those attached to the mag bars, all it needs is something hard and sharp enough to scrape off some of the "flint" because it is just the mechanical action of breaking off tiny parts fast that causes it to spark off.

GigOne, there are several tinders that are handier and even easier to use than the mag bar. To me the mag bar is real good to have as one of the alternatives, not absolutely better than most of them. The one place it is better is that it is harder to destroy. Once the steel wool rusts, it is useless as tinder. Cotton and most other fine or pre-shredded tinders can easily get too wet to light. If the mag bar is accidently dropped into the fire, you have a fair amount of time to fish it out before it is ignited (and some fires will never get hot enough to ignite a whole bar), while most other tinders and ignition sources will ignite almost before they touch the flames. I would not suggest trying this with a butane lighter or box of matches!

It is not the easiest or most convenient, but a mag bar is fairly oops-proof.

The one complaint that I have heard several times is that the flint rod can come off of the mag bar and be lost or broken. Most bar/ferocerium combo sets have the mag bar attached to the lanyard or keyring while the flint is glued into a slot in it. The boyscout hotspark is just the artificial flint and I am thinking of crafting a magnesium "key" from a slice of another bar to also attach directly to my keyring to more securely carry with it. The thinner "key" should also be easier to scrape/cut tinder from.
 
grommit, I'm pretty sure mine is real flint. It's been a great number of years since I was in the scouts, so the piece I have is older that dirt; I've also found a few pieces that would spark my mag bar but not my BSA piece. Like you, I also carry the mag bar simply for the fairly stupid-proof factor. I've got one is each SAR bag, so on the off chance that all of the lighters/matches/etc fail, I've at least got something. And that little extra bit of comfort is nice :)
 
Posted by grommit:

Once the steel wool rusts, it is useless as tinder.


True. . .but I've never had a problem with it rusting. Preventative measures with any camping, survival and/or SAR equipment goes along way.

For example, I always place my steelwool in a minimum of 2 zip-lock bags. If weather conditions dictate. . .the number of bags increase. ;) And all gear is inspected after returning from a trip.
 
GigOne, maybe we have hit the crux of the issue for me. I am too lazy to properly maintain high maintenance methods. I really appreciate a low or no maintenance device that will simply be there, even if it is not ideal, for when it is all that is left. Obviously use the more convenient stuff first, but keep the standby that is oops resistent. (cause I get lots of oops...)

Just to add confusion by my curiosity, what happens if you put petroleum jelly on steel wool? Does it still burn? Does it protect it from rust? Is it now impossible or just more difficult to catch a spark and perform? Does it burn hotter or longer once lit?
 
Ryan - I got a Fire Steel from forumite Bagheera and cut it down so that it would fit in a large spy capsule (and I'm sure you know who I got the spy capsule from ;) ). I also substituted a small piece of hacksaw blade for the larger striker that come with the Fire Steel. Works great and is easy to carry. Sorry I can't post a picture. Sooner or later I'm going to have to get a digital camera.
 
Posted by grommit:

Just to add confusion by my curiosity, what happens if you put petroleum jelly on steel wool? Does it still burn? Does it protect it from rust? Is it now impossible or just more difficult to catch a spark and perform? Does it burn hotter or longer once lit?

I've never seen or heard of anyone putting petroleum jelly on steel wool.

I would imagine that it's burn/igniting capability would be relative to the amount of petroleum jelly saturation.

Steelwool does burn hotter. As far as burning longer. . .it would depend on the amount that's being lit.



Posted by grommit:

I am too lazy to properly maintain high maintenance methods. I really appreciate a low or no maintenance device that will simply be there. . .


I've never looked at storing 2 or 3 steel wool pads in 2 zip lock bags (nor a periodic 15 second inspection) as "high maintenance." ;) :)
 
Are you using the steel wool just for tinder, or are you using it with some friction to get it to burn? I've probably missed something in thread but, I don't see steel wool qualifying as a fire starter.

Thanks!
 
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