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Khukuri History?
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New to me and thanks for info.
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This may be the Rana knife that evolved into the kukri. I had never seen a name for it before, but there is a version of one in the Arsenal Museum in Kathmandu.
Where is the quote from?
Where is the quote from?
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English version of the Google Search Engine in Hindi has far too much info on the Kiratas for an evening without coffee. One paper stated they were encountered in the Terai by the Veda Aryans, and were possibly the original people in that area, and were "later neolithic". Only weapons references were there, relating the Kiratas disadvantage trying to fight copper and bronze armed invaders. Another in the list claimed they were accomplished archers, later in their history. Many references to their presence in Assam. I'll try it again in the AM....after coffee.
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No.
But Dean's brain on Google
says:"op: AH4311: Gold Coast Sword I(no scabbard)
These fish slicers kike swords were used in sacrifices and beheading, an operation they performed quite badly."
From:
http://www.deepeeka.com/swords/swords/egyptian.htm
I wonder if the "quite badly" was a typo,
or if he means they really are best as an Egyption trout knife?
They are a manufacturer, but it's not a sales site; for that you would have to find a distributer.
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Nothing definite......but it looks like the name is derived from words meaning:Originally posted by ddean ....... Dean's brain on Google
/circle => /cookpot ==> /edible fish.
So best guess I have is that a 'kike'
was originally named as a "cut-fish-for-cooking-stew" knife,
or "knife-to-cut-up-fish-to-go-in-cook-pot".
Wherever it originated, the fish must have been pretty big,
or pretty savage.
Please, Please, Please................Stop asking such interesting questions.
I've got a wall in the sunroom to re-cover,
and at this rate SWMBO is going to take away my computer previlages ! !!
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I guess I could research this question but it's easier just to ask the experts. Are the Kiratas ancestors of the Newari
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Bill,
The Kiratas were the warlike tribe who overthrew the Vamshavalis who ruled the areas of Nepal and Northern India for the early and almost mythological history for 4000 years. They spawned the the Gopalas and the Mahisapalas whom claimed descendence from the moon (Gopala) and the sun (Mahisapla) from where Nepal gets its unique flag.
The Kiratas come from the early Rajput leaders and are considered to be the direct line from which come the Limbus and Rais. The Kirata Dynasty ruled for over 1500 years and extended its dominion eastward thru the Himalayas and as far as todays Bhutan.
They were overthrown by the Mauryan empire around 250 BC, and then the Kushans entered and enlarged the area and brought in strong Buddhist influences. After this came the Licchavi kings who brought unknown prosperity and cultural brilliance to the area plus a Brahmnic revival along with Hinduism.
In the 9th century AD the Licchavis were overthrown by the Mallas and Nepal entered its own dark ages. It is from this period on that is considered the beginnings of a Nepal made up of loosely cojoined city-states that eventually brought Prithvi Narayan Shah in from his kingdom of Gorkha to take over Kathmandu and the whole central Valley.
It was his perseverance and 25 years that started unifying the country through expansion and coalescing all the individual shahs by granting them land as payment.
The Kiratas were the warlike tribe who overthrew the Vamshavalis who ruled the areas of Nepal and Northern India for the early and almost mythological history for 4000 years. They spawned the the Gopalas and the Mahisapalas whom claimed descendence from the moon (Gopala) and the sun (Mahisapla) from where Nepal gets its unique flag.
The Kiratas come from the early Rajput leaders and are considered to be the direct line from which come the Limbus and Rais. The Kirata Dynasty ruled for over 1500 years and extended its dominion eastward thru the Himalayas and as far as todays Bhutan.
They were overthrown by the Mauryan empire around 250 BC, and then the Kushans entered and enlarged the area and brought in strong Buddhist influences. After this came the Licchavi kings who brought unknown prosperity and cultural brilliance to the area plus a Brahmnic revival along with Hinduism.
In the 9th century AD the Licchavis were overthrown by the Mallas and Nepal entered its own dark ages. It is from this period on that is considered the beginnings of a Nepal made up of loosely cojoined city-states that eventually brought Prithvi Narayan Shah in from his kingdom of Gorkha to take over Kathmandu and the whole central Valley.
It was his perseverance and 25 years that started unifying the country through expansion and coalescing all the individual shahs by granting them land as payment.
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Thanks for good info.
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Several languages, several sources found during web searches.
Kykle (?spelling) is a word (Yiddish?) for circle.
Kike in one of the East Indian languages seems
to be a word for cookpot.
Kike also seems to be used to mean fish in a couple of languages
in the Middle East / North Africa / India regions.
I didn't save any results to refer back to.
I may be completely off base when it comes to my final guess.
Maybe someone thought the blade profile resembled a fish?
Maybe there's another 'kike' blade found closer to the Indian region?
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trivia: apparently, Jewish people immigrating to the USA
via Riker's (spell?) Island would replace any X in their writing
with a circle symbol (kykle); by which characteristic they became called.
Feature of American English that terms and phrases get shortened.
Howdy = HOW Do You do
Also, common to call people & things by an identifying characteristic.
In the hospital it's hard to keep from calling patients by their affliction.
"What's happening with that infarct in room B?"
Hence the derogatory term may have evolved from completely innocent slang.
"Hey Joe, Is he a circle? He needs to go over there."
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