Kick Owner - A Few Questions

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I recently got a LM Kick and am very satisfied. I've already used it to remove staples from a large cardboard box, cut a garden hose and replace the nozzle on it and unscrew about 10 screws and replace them. So far I've yet to use the can/bottle opener but it looks up to snuff.

As an edc, it goes in my back pocket (hardly know it's there). I've yet to find the clip for it (other than online, but the shiiping costs more than the clip :grumpy:).

I usually edc a sak (bantam, waiter, recruit, cadet II, or any other 58 mm sak). I consider myself a minimalist and this fits perfectly with the light duty tools I need.

What I'm looking at are the fuse, blast, s2 and wave. Although I love my kick, I thought about a differnet model for the sake of variety.

Kick and fuse look almost identical except for the scissors and locking tools. I also see the the fuse and s2 as comparable except for the size, weight, and locks. Of course, my classic resides on my keychain, so I'm hardly ever without scissors, knife, and screwdriver (albeit small).

I did own a C2, but now my wife owns it. I tried to edc it a few times. Corkscrew works fine, but pliers were a little uncomfortable. The zytel handles seem comfortable from what I've experienced. Also the corkscrew was short of a novelty and not used very often (especially since I have a vic waiter in my pocket most of the time).

As for the wave and blast, these may be comparable except for weight, convenience (wave blades open from the outside) and what I consider minor tool differences, bit drivers versus full sized phillips (I prefer full sized phillips. Though I've never used the bit drivers, I have read about their shortcomings).

Let me start off the thread with a few of questions for discussion.

First, are locking implements needed for light duty use?

Am I fairly comparing tools?

Would a second kick suffice?

Between the choices offered/compared, what's best and why?

I also try to consider price (i.e. bang for buck). Although this would be a backup/home use tool, it may see use as an edc, especially if it's in my car's glove box and I forget my edc (it's been known to happen to me on occasion).

As mentioned, I'm looking for a second/spare for home use or to put in my car's glove box. Fellow kick owners feel free to chime in.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. I hope I haven't turned anyone off with my rather long post, but from what I've read here, longer posts generally lead to better discussions/responses.
 
Over 50 views and no replies? Surely there must be at least some fellow kick/LM owners.
 
Greetings danben!
For all intents and purposes, the Kick replaced the original PST in Leatherman's line-up. No frills, just the basics. (Except for a file. It really does need a file.) Doesn't weigh very much, and is easier on the gripping hand than the old PST.

Locking implements? I was content for ten years carrying a PST with no blade locks. Therefore, they are not a necessity, but are certainly convenient and much safer.

Would a second Kick suffice? Hell no! Snap out of it man, come to your senses! Where's the fun of having more than one multi tool, if they're both the same model? ;)

Choosing among the models you listed:

Fuse.......same thing as your Kick, with scissors and locking blades. Like I said, not enough different than what you've already got.
Blast.......better. Has a saw blade, scissors, and a file that you don't have now. But it's 1/3 fatter, and you will definitely notice it in your back pocket.
S2..........a lot like your confiscated C2, with no redundant corkscrew. But only a knife, scissors, and a cap lifter. Have you considered a Kf4?
Wave......certainly does not bring the word "minimalist" to mind. However, it does pack a lot more capability into a package that is the exact same size and thickness as the Blast.

Which is something to think about.......
 
I've not had the chance to compare a blast and wave first hand, but if the thickness is comparable, it certainly is worth thinking about. What about the bit drivers? Are they an improvement over the kick/fuse/blast set up?

I do like the wave, but the thickness and weight were an issue for me. A wave would be a bit more expensive; however, it would seem to cover all the bases and provide more than a blast. All the tools of a blast, plus a convenient blade opener, and a diamond file (though I'm not sure what that upgrade entails over a regular blast's file).

Thanks for the input!
 
The Blast is the only tool in the Kick/Fuse/Blast series that includes a file. It's a nice file too; single cut on one side, double cut on the other. Feels real sharp and bighty. I haven't used mine enough to say how well it holds up yet though.

That being said, the Wave's (and Charge and Surge) diamond file totally outclasses everything else. It is a double cut on one side and a fine diamond grit on the other. I don't know how they make it. The diamond is great for sharpening fishhooks, knives, etc. It does a good job shaping hard steel, and is wonderful for any fine detail work.
 
The Wave and Blast are about the same size (the new Wave is a tad wider where the one hand opening blades holes protrude, but still fits in the Blast sheath), but the Blast is lighter.


I consider the Blast something of a best buy in Leatherman's line and the new Wave more of a premium model. The Wave’s one hand opening knife blades and diamond file are great, but the reversible flat screw driver bit is too short for most recessed screws and I personally don’t have much use for the little eyeglass bit holder. The Blast has the same eyeglass bit holder, but has pair of longer/ generally more useful screw drivers in place of the new Wave’s short flat bit driver.


Unfortunately, both the Wave and the Blast lack an awl.




- Frank
 
What about the other tools (saw and scissors). Are they the same in both, or does the wave have upgraded versions like in the case of the file?
 
Scissors are identical. Saw blades are virtually identical. (same length, same TPI, just slightly different shape)
 
What's the problem with not having an awl? What uses does it have, aside from punching a hole in a leather belt perhaps?
 
An awl can be used for punching holes in leather, webbing or fabric, drilling, making starter holes for screws, scribing lines, scraping, even sewing leather and striking sparks from a fire steel.


One of the few changes that I don’t like on the new Wave compared to the original Wave is the scissors. The new Wave has much smaller scissors that feel snippy and seem to be of generally lower quality.


Which reminds me; the PST II has the same big scissors as the old Wave and also has a diamond coated file. The PST II is a discontinued model, but I have seen them on ebay at very reasonable prices. Light weight with even less bulk the Kick, the PST II is a very good minimalist multitool….if you don’t mind non-locking tools and can do without a saw and an awl (the original PST has an awl instead of the scissors and no diamond coating on the file).





- Frank
 
danben said:
What's the problem with not having an awl? What uses does it have, aside from punching a hole in a leather belt perhaps?

Big problem for me. I use mine awl the time to start wood screw holes, poke stuff I don't want to touch with my hands, punch holes in a variety of materials, ream out tubes and similar things that need scraped and enough other things that I want one on my multitool. It's omission on the PST II and Wave were among the reasons I passed on them when they came on the market. The Charge was a big disappointment, perfect for me if they only changed out that stinky little "eyeglass" driver (which doesn't even fit my glasses) for an awl.
 
Awls are also very useful for untying very tightly-tied knots. Being a Wave owner, I bought a SAK with an awl to complement my Wave.
 
znapschatz said:
Big problem for me. I use mine awl the time to start wood screw holes, poke stuff I don't want to touch with my hands, punch holes in a variety of materials, ream out tubes and similar things that need scraped and enough other things that I want one on my multitool. It's omission on the PST II and Wave were among the reasons I passed on them when they came on the market. The Charge was a big disappointment, perfect for me if they only changed out that stinky little "eyeglass" driver (which doesn't even fit my glasses) for an awl.

So what do you carry?
 
danben said:
So what do you carry?

When the Charge came out, I talked myself into one which I EDC'd for a couple of months. The one-hand opening, pocket clip and general fit and feel of the Charge was great, but for several reasons I wound up getting rid of it. A large deal breaker was lack of an awl. I would have gladly traded the dinky scissors or the teeny bit holder for one, but that was not to be. :(
So I went back to my Leatherman Super Tool 200.

For multitools these days I alternate between that and a newly acquired Swisstool (original). Neither has scissors, so I carry a Micra for that. It works out better than carrying a larger SAK to supplement for a missing awl because the total kit is more compact, and on the larger tools, the awls lock. OTOH, scissors on the Micra perform as well as those on larger tools.

I started out almost 10 years ago with a Super Tool (original) that I liked a lot, and after giving it away to a deserving friend, replaced it with an ST200, in some ways an improved model. The Swisstool is nice, though. I can understand why those people who post here like it so much. After alternating the two for several weeks, I find myself admiring both for different qualities. Sometimes it pays to be a happy idiot (although I do want it awl). :D
 
Just wanted to chime in with my .02 cents. I'm a big Leatherman fan, and I started with the original Wave. After having the phillips and flat drivers close (painfully) on my finger a few times, I really appreciate the locking mechanism on my current LMs (Supertool 200 & Core). I've found that even so-called "light duty" projects can exert significant force on a muti-tool, especially at odd angles or hand positions. Whatever you choose, make sure it has a good lock! :thumbup:
 
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