Kind of OT: Larger AK wanted

I have a 25" I'm keeping, thanks, (bill sent it to me on instinct, and he was right- I had to have it and bought it) but what weight are you looking for in this knife?

Some of the 25"s weigh five pounds or such, mine is 3.5 or so. And I was just wondering which type you wanted.



munk
 
Mr Triple Chicklets,

Im not familiar with the overgrown strain of khuks, so I dont know all of the variations.

I want one because I got to use Khukuri_Monster's 28" (?) AK and I fell in love. I would use it for heavy chopping, spliting, de-limbing, and the such. I dont care about the weight because it would mostly be hauled around in a tractor bucket from tree to tree.

Im thinking that this is going to be a long search.
 
You could always order a 30 incher from Bill.

Last time I asked, there were no AK's 25" or over in stock. But who knows...

We tried to get Bill to go for a 40" AK (yes, we're nuts)...didn't want to mess with it. Of course, if you got $$$ to do the talking....you can get some interesting stuff....

right, N2S?

:D :eek: :p
 
Not necessarily. You just can't outguess the kamis. Send Bill an e-mail as there may be one in stock - probably been trying to sell it for 3 years. Then again we may never see such a khuk again in our lifetimes.

#$@^& kami's anyway!!!!
 
I've been following this one with interest. We were just discussing at work today how an AK larger than 20" would be useful. A 30" would derail this line of thought just fine.

Thanks for the info and good luck on your search, Jeb. I'll wait until tomorrow to email UB - you've got first dibs if he has something.
 
don't get me wrong....hope he has one....but I, uhhh.......(shamefully :o ) ask on a rather regular basis....(I'm a pest) :D


Kudos to the lucky one!
 
Dan, what would you do with a 25" AK? I'm intrigued.

Jebadiah; I guess you'll take whatever you can get, but what I was trying to determine was if you wanted a real heavy 25" model or a lighter model? Because the chopping characteristics are different. (depending upon edge geometry)



munk
 
Heh. Going for a slightly different tack, Dan, I hear my 16" AK is extremely beefy for its size...

John
 
And I remember how you made fun of me when I got that.

I recall the words "That's not a khukuri, that's just goofy!"

Mine is a heavier model AK, around 4.5 lbs I think.

The heavier model is nice because it has more momentum. The heavier model is also scary because it has more momentum.
 
After maybe six years on the KF HI forum and then the BF HI forum, my first reaction to the thread title was: is he looking for a Dragunov?
 
my 30" weighs 5.4 for reference (1/2" thick). and to be honest, its crazy i know, i would have been overjoyed if it had been 3/4" thick and 8lbs


i guess im just crazy like that... its a perfect splitting maul as is, but it would have been a serious boost of pride to have that much backing steel there :D
 
munk - I had a 25" AK once....had to let it go...would love to have a 30" AK "just for fun"...to see what it could and could not do. What the heck, right?
I'm with Seth on this one...


Spectre - Beefy? Yes!!! It's the third Chiruwa AK I've worked on that was somewhat beefy. Always in the 15"-16.5" range.
 
I don't often post, but I also have a 25" "heavy" Chiruwa Ang Khola with horn handles.

It is terrific for chopping, but as mentioned before, care must be taken when using it.

I'm in the minority here, because I only have three Khukes, all of them quite large.
 
I got it, Dan. I wanted a 22" Ganga Ram, and I wanted it heavy. Just to see what it would do against my 25" AK which weighs only 3 lbs 6oz. The Ganga is an older one and it weighs 2lbs 14 oz.


The thicker edge profile (which is usually but not always on a heavy blade-for-type khuk) vs thinner edge profile is always an interesting comparison between like styled khukuris.

To tell you the truth, (as opposed to the vicious lies I normally spout) I have no definitive answer about thin vs thick. It seems to depend upon the individual blade influenced by such factors as angle of curvature, amounts of weight forward and back, length of khuk, and overall weight.

munk
 
you may remember when I busted up that 22" GRS? I was testing it against a 25" AK (and a YCS, IIRC)

The GRS felt much lighter in the hand than the 25" AK. Like 2 to 1 for me. I had no problem one-handing either...but the AK was more like....chop..............chop...............chop...............whereas the GRS was more......chop.....chop......chop.....chop.....YCS = chop, chop, chop, chop....

sheesh...any of that make sense to anybody? :rolleyes:




I attributed it, at least in part, to the thinner blade.

I'm working on an idea.....let me get it straightened out in my head first....
 
Yep- the number of chops per minute, and the type of chops they are- the blade almost tells you what it does best.


munk
 
OK....got it (maybe...)


Whenever I think of chopping...I like to approach it from a Physicist's viewpoint. That is, looking at it in terms of Force = Mass * Acceleration, as well as Torque = Force * Length.

Chopping, after all, is Torque. You are holding a lever by one end and applying a rotating motion to it.

Now, let's take two objects of the same weight(mass) but different lengths. One is 20" the other is 25".

Now let's figure out what force is needed to apply the same torque (chop)....using this equation:

T1 = F1 * L1 = F1 * 20
T2 = F2 * L2 = F2 * 25

If T1 = T2

Then F1 * 20 = F2 * 25

Or F1 = F2 *(25/20) = 1.25 * F2

In layman's terms....The Force required to produce the chop with the 20" is 1.25 times greater than with the 25".

This seems rudimentary...almost too common sensical....but when you think about it's real world application, what it means is that you will have increased torque with a thinner, longer blade (weight remaining constant). More bang for buck, so to speak.

Now, whether or not the knife itself can withstand the torque you apply to it is a whole nuther game.



You would laugh at me if I proposed taking a 12" AK to an 8" log......but not if I took a 22" GRS.


That's why I'd like to see a 40" AK. ;)
 
I don't understand your math, of course, but these things do not work as a progression. More may not be better. The variable's I mentioned throw any straight forward comparison out the window. (angle, weight, distribution of weight, length, and edge profile.


So anyway, what you want to see is how a 40" would do, and compare it to not only your calculations, but to other large blades.



munk
 
Jeb
I have two 25 er's both new and unused both wood handles

One is a Sher Sirupati for $105
The other is a Nepalese Khukri House Long Dragon for $129

If interested contact me at clearblue55@yahoo.com
 
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