Kiradashi. The latest thing?

Walking Man

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It seems as though Kiradashi are popping up more and more. Are these the latest thing since kerambits? probabaly not, but I don't care, that's not my question.
My question is: Who finds these useful? As far as I can tell they are little more than thick warnecliff blades, with little function other than backup knife. We were just fine with out them, so why start now?
 
arent those just traditional woodcarving blades? I remember seeing one included in a nice japanese woodcarving set.,

edit: well it looks like I was second on the draw.

We were just fine with out them, so why start now?
I dont think they are starting "now", I believe they are a very old design.
 
Laceration said:
I might be wrong but I thought they were woodworking knives.

Yes they are for woodworking. I have one that I carry, I do alot of my
normal cutting tasks with it, Its a nice little-one neck carry. Also would
make a good last ditch.

Zoo
 
Rat Finkenstein said:
I dont think they are starting "now", I believe they are a very old design.
So are kerambits, I was refering to a newly-found popularity.
 
Cold Steel has been selling them for some time and I think A.G. Russell has offered some too. I have one in my carving set from A.G. also. They are very handy little knives for sure.
 
The Kiridashi that I have seen don't resemble a wharncliffe in the slightest. They look like a piece of steel that has been cut at an angle and then sharpened.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
The Kiridashi that I have seen don't resemble a wharncliffe in the slightest. They look like a piece of steel that has been cut at an angle and then sharpened.
Okay, so you disagree with me about the way it looks..........
AND?
 
And nothing. Just saying that as far as I am concerned they don't look the slightest like a wharncliffe. I thought my post made that very clear.

As far as them being popular, I only see a few of them around and don't find that they have gained all that much popularity.

Their shape makes them good for certain purposes, but limits their overall usablity.
 
i agree with walking man about the new popularity of the Kira...
here in paris, plenty knife nuts of my friends got somes from Fred Perrin and other custom makers.
Personnaly, they just remind me the piece of steel that my grandfather was sharpening for cuting piece of leather when reparing shoes... :)
this was perfect for that purpose... but i never cut leather, so i don't like kira .... :D
 
Keith Montgomery said:
I only see a few of them around and don't find that they have gained all that much popularity.
You're both right. It's kind of like the Chinese leaf blade, they're not getting truely popular, but they are much more available then they ever were in the past 10 years or so. (my knife-addiction's life span); As in, I've never even heard of them until around 6 months ago.
 
They looked cool, but I think they were designed as specialty knives for a specific purpose in woodworking, and I probably wouldn't get one for EDC or anything. Plus, I don't know of any reputable production versions in the US, but a bunch of custom makers have been putting them up for sale. Some of them are real pretty.
 
No link. I just know they have offered them in the past in their Special Projects catalogs. I've bought several and I still have one. Here are some pics of my A.G. Russell and Cold Steel Kiridashi knives. The one with the sheath is the Cold Steel. It is a great little knife, very useful and keeps and takes a great edge also.
 
http://www.fine-tools.com/messer1.htm

I'd love to have the little folding Kiridashi pictured here on this link but shipping is more than the knife for me. Also, if that Kogatana folder doesn't look like a Wharncliff blade to you I don't know what does.
 
Walking Man said:
It seems as though Kiradashi are popping up more and more. ... Who finds these useful? As far as I can tell they are little more than thick warnecliff blades, with little function other than backup knife.
Walking Man, My understanding (after about ten years' obsession with all things Japanese) is that the kiridashi was primarily a tradesman's knife used in the same way we use a retractible utility knife. It was used by woodworkers for striking a line with a sashigane (steel square) or for small trimming of corners or edges. I believe they also saw some use as a gimlet for boring holes or for shaping bamboo nail pegs. I believe the design also was used by craftsmen working in other materials (clay, leather, cloth, rope).

The kiridashi also had a role among the general populace as a all-purpose knife for cutting paper, string, whatever. IIRC some women tucked a kiridashi in their obi sash as a handy place to keep this rather versatile tool.

As for the recent perceived popularity of kiridashi, here's my $0.02 worth. I suspect a large part of this is due to the internet's rapid worldwide dissemination of info of artifacts from other cultures and our resulting broadening exposure to those artifacts. i.e. They've always been there. We're just noticing them more now due to the ease with which the internet delivers them into our homes & offices. Of course, the knifemakers in the crowd are similarly exposed to the design and start making their own versions, which causes even more exposure..... and so it goes in an ever-widening spiral.

(edit to add) For those not familiar with the kiridashi knife, here are links to a minimalistic version (little stick of metal with a single chisel bevel grind) and a gold-inlayed fancy version.

Simple one: http://www.honya.co.jp/contents/offside/img/seki/kiridashi.jpg
Fancy one: http://www.mikepetersen.com/images/knife_page_photo/glenn_3.jpg
 
Walking Man said:
...My question is: Who finds these useful? As far as I can tell they are little more than thick warnecliff blades, with little function other than backup knife. We were just fine with out them, so why start now?

They are extraordinarily useful, and the traditionally made ones are far more than just a chunk of steel cut on an angle. I have seen and used many of them, none of which could be remotely described as "thick" or "warnecliff".

When traditionally made they are a forge-welded lamination of a thin layer of very hard steel and softer iron. The lamination and chisel grind means that they sharpen to an edge that most western blades can only dream about, given an equivalent investment of sharpening effort.

In the west they are used primarily as a woodworking tool, a role in which they excel. As a striking knife for marking out, the chisel grind and hard steel makes them THE superior tool. They are also very useful for detailing around dovetail cuts, and other more general shaping. No double-bevel knife can perform some of the tasks that a Kiradashi does with ease.

In Japan they are used for all sorts of precision cutting, particularly in the decorative cutting of food items.

They are not really an "every day carry" sort of blade, nor were they intended to be. That is because their users will simply have one or more of them already at the everyday locations where a blade is needed.

They are likely to have limited appeal where there is little need for a precision blade (How many western cooks carve vegetables into the shape of chrysanthemums? If you do not do fine wood work then you may never need to mark a line that is thinner than can be done with a pencil), but to those who do have such a need, once they have used a kiradashi nothing else will suffice.

Bowies may be much more common, but across the entire spectrum of cutting, the kiradashi design is of considerably greater utility.

cheers, Bangtail
 
Bangtail said:
I have seen and used many of them, none of which could be remotely described as "thick" or "warnecliff".
Okay, I'm going to jump in here, because this is bugging me. First, from what I've seen many of the newer kiradashis appear to be somewhat thick.
Second, is it really THAT much of a stretch to compare them to wharnecliffs, let's see, strait blade, fine point, fine cutting. I don't think it takes that much imagination.
 
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