KISS users/lovers speak up

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i wanna get the kiss as an edc coz i dont wanna use my bm 705(its stored as oe of my collection knives)
also ive been lurking in the forums for some time now and rarely see anyone complimenting the CRKT's KISS. y so? are they really that useless? come on lets hear the good and the bad side of the crkt's KISS?
regards to all...
 
I carried one of the early combo-edge tanto KISS knives. I thought it was great. My only real complaint is that that tanto's are hard for me to sharpen.

If I had it to do over, I'd get a plain edge, spear-point, sampsons KISS.

Mike
 
I picked my 24K K.I.S.S. a month or so ago. I've really enjoyed it as a money clip. I had the edges touched up, cuz those chisel grinds tend to "feel dull." But it was sharp; I just wanted it sharper.

Great purchase. I like it! :)
 
i have a siff kiss chisel ground tanto neck knife, and its really too big for a necker, but ok for IWB carry - i like the woo i also have much better, and they are close to the same price.......


sifu
 
I have the CRKT Peck, which is very similar to the KISS knives in design. (I am assuming you are talking about the folders, not hte neck knives.) I use it as a money clip. Have only cut myself on it twice, both soon after I began using it. No problems now for over a year.

I find the knife to be difficult to open. The open concept design, along with relatively narrow pieces of steel with which to work, just don't allow me to open one quickly or confidently. It also is uncomfortable for me to grip for any length of time.

If you were to buy the KISS, I would certainly get the clip or spear point configuration. All of the KISSs are chisel ground, for safety when the knife is closed. This is one of the chief knocks against the tanto point, that the chisel ground tends to make it difficult to cut in a straight line. THe point have a tendency to drift to one side or the other. Can't remember which. I think the KISSs are ground on the wrong side for a right-handed person. The neck KISSs are ground on the correct side.

I'd like to suggest that you consider the CRKT Lightfoot Urban Shark (LUS). This is one of my favorite CRKT knives. It isn't black -- it is grey. The scales are thick, and there are double liners. These give the knife a good sense of strength and endurance. The blade is designed for utility work, and also to be of use, should one need to employ the knife for self defense.

Tho it is a bit larger knife, you might want to consider the Spyderco Native. This is a sturdy knife. With the FRN handle, you get 440V blade steel. It is very ergonomic for the majority of people, but not for everybody. It's design enables different grips. The blade shape further increases the utility of the knife. It is my favorite medium to small utility knife, by a reasonably wide margin. Of course, I haven't tried the Dragonfly yet. I do have teh Calypso Jr. Ltwt, which has VG-10 steel, an excellent cutter. Not as sturdy as the Native, IMO, but nonetheless an excellent knife. Some people think they are just in a class of their own when it comes to cutting things.

My last suggestion(s) -- the Camillus EDC or the Outdoor Edge Paragee. These are both skeletonized knives, with stainless steel handles, and both use the integral lock. The Paragee is slightly longer, but the EDC is a little larger. Of the two, I have to admit that the lock of the EDC seems stronger to me than does the Paragee's. Both knives are designed by Darrel Ralph. You can see similarities, but they are really quite different from each other. The Paragee comes with AUS8 steel, and is less expensive than the basic model EDC. That knife comes with 420HC blade steel. You can pay $15 more and get 154CM steel. That is the knife I chose. It has just come out with talonite as the blade material. Believe I read that it sells for about $160. The Paragee is around $40, and the EDC is $50 and $65, depending upon which steel you choose.

Hope I haven't confused you. I often get riled when people suggest different knives when someone asks for help choosing between 2 or 3 specific choices. Part of my decision to suggest other knives, is that aside from people who are fishing, I don't recall anyone who depended upon a KISS as a daily carry knife. I don't think they're well suited for the job.

Happy choosing.
 
in response to the above do u think a kiss original or a samson's kiss would be more handy?
 
Originally posted by jln26
do u think a kiss original or a samson's kiss would be more handy?

I carried the original kiss as an EDC for about a year, before I gave it to my kid sister. I've handled the sampsons KISS and it sure FEELS better, but no long-term exposure to it. As an aside, I was going to give some away as gifts to my father & grandfathers but wound up not doing it.

I'd probably go with a Kershaw Chive in place of the KISS knives today as gifts.

Mike
 
in response to the above do u think a kiss original or a samson's kiss would be more handy?
 
in response to the above do u think a kiss original or a samson's kiss would be more handy?
 
I think the greatest downside of the design is the handle / frame-lock. It's OK for random cutting tasks but you can't use the knife for stabbing or slashing, which pretty much says everything about its usefulness in self defence. If you squeeze the handle the blade WILL unlock. Plus, of course, the knife is very small.

But: it's still one of the smartest, prettiest and niftiest toys I've ever had. Just consider it as safe as a slipjoint and it will serve you well. I've mostly given up carrying it though, and replaced it with a Dragonfly. Damn those spydies are sweet.
 
I had one of the orginal and then upgraded to the 24K model. I also got bit once while using it as a money clip and I solved the problem by torquing the pivot screw every so slightly. It makes it a little harder to open but safer. I use it as a money clip and it works great...makes a conversation piece and it is sheepel friendly. I gave my old one to my wife and she uses it as a box opener at work and she likes it alot.
 
I would urge caution in considering the folding KISS family as an EDC.

My personal experience has been that although the "Cool" Factor is very high the lock was subject to being unlocked in a normal sabre grip.

I would encourage you to pull the 705 out and carry it. Unless it is a numbered pre-production or first production piece it is not particularly collectible. (At least from the standpoint in being able to sell it down the road at a higher price than you paid.)
 
I have a few of the KISS knives, including the original and Sampson's KISS with plain spear-point. I like them all to varying degrees, but IMO if you want the one with the greatest safety and best feel, get the Classic KISS with modified clip point and made in Japan. Not only is its blade edge ground a bit thinner (it is a hollow chisel-grind), but on mine, you must use some effort to unlock the blade. I also much prefer the shiny satin finish.
Jim
 
I have a Sampson KISS. It's not a very good EDC knife because it doesn't lock very well, and it's too big, IMO, to use as a money clip. I recommend the original KISS if that's what you want. That's what I wish I had got. Plus, the original is much prettier.
 
For slashing/thrusting with the KISS, I think the best grip for right handers is to place the clip side against the inside of your index finger so that the tip of your index finger presses up on the lock and reinforces it. Your thumb rests on the frame immediately behind the rear end of the blade and exerts downward pressure. This won't be a complete guarantee against lock failure, but it is better than holding the knife in a saber or "natural" grip.

I gave one of these to my brother-in-law, who never previously carried a knife and wouldn't plan on doing any slashing or thrusting. He's carried it on airlines to 13 different countries. Six times to Israel. Never had the slightest problem. He loves it.
 
I use mine all the time, as a money clip, and find myself more and more reaching for it for small common cutting chores.

My only down side is I am a southpaw, and it took some practise to learn a way to safetly open the KISS one handed for me.
 
I bought a KISS and thought it was the neatest thing. Practicing with it was fun, and I even practiced left handed (very difficult). Opening and closing was addictive, even more so than with other, larger knives. I used it as a money/ID clip once or twice, and it worked well. However, it once opened in my pocket! As for defensive use, the "scalpel grip" that Dances W/Knives described would be the best way.

I also have an M-16 13Z (very impressive lockup on its liner) and a safety tip Bear Claw. CRKT makes neat stuff, and I plan on getting more, after I buy up all the Spydies I want!

Karl
 
I've used a standard KISS for about 21/2 years now never cut myself and have no problems keeping it sharp .. It works very well for me in the situations that I use it - not for skinning - defense - just everyday cutting I generally carry it clipped in my hip pocket or use it as a money clip - hope you have the same good luck
 
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