Kitchen Knives

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Hi,

I've been debating about writing a review of some kitchen knives I've been using. And now I have a place to write it!:)

Any way onward.

The brand name is Bakers and Chefs. A house brand for Sam's Club. For those who might not know, it's a warehouse type outlet branch of Wal-Mart.

What got me interested enough to purchase and try this brand was the etching bragging of German steel and being made in Brazil. This seemed to promise at least an interesting test.

They are packaged two knives in a blister package. I bought a pack of 7" Santukos and a pack holding an 8" and 10" chefs knives. 4 knives for under $30.

A Group shot:
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Closeup of the etch:
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A brief search for a maker turns up Mundial as the likely culprit. At least they look like these:

Coming out of the package the two Santokus were hair shaving sharp. The 8" and 10" chefs were not. Though 8" was almost there. The blades measured .100 across the spine and taper nicely to their points.

The santokus are full flat ground with typical Grantons. The chefs both have a bit of convex grind at the edge. I'm not sure if I will keep that type of edge going.

The handles are all identical. The surface is slightly pebbled for a better grip when your fingers get slippery. They are over molded for a hidden tang. I have no idea how far back the tang extends into the handle. But they are tight and I don't intend to baton through any lumber. So they should be fine for normal kitchen work. The handles are plenty generous for even the largest hands. The downside to these grips is that they don't allow an easy pinch grip on the blade. It can be done, but it feels awkward to me. Though there are two generous divots at bolster that can be used for a pinch grip.

So, how do they work on the board? Amazingly well thank you. After almost 4 months of daily use in my kitchen, I have yet to sharpen the santukos. I just simply steel and go. I did have to touch up the chefs out of the package. But once sharpened they are holding up well also. I've sliced and diced through carrots, celery, onions, and various large hunks of beast and some not so large beasts. Of the 4 knives, I like and get the most use out of the santukos and the 8" chef. The 10" is a beast but I find it more than a bit too large for day to day kitchen work. Though it works great on cutting those steaks out of a big sirloin tip or breaking down those Boston butts into roasts and fresh pork steaks. Still, I don't use it all that much.

I think these knives just might be the Moras of the kitchen. Not all of us can afford a nice $1000 Japanese knife. And it's nice to find an inexpensive alternative. I would rate these as nice to use as a Forschner, another nice inexpensive kitchen knife. It's amazing what a person can run across sometimes.

dalee
 
Thanks for the excellent review.....headed to Sam's Club after work. :)
 
They remind me of the three pack of Tramontinas I scored at walmart on clearance. Good steel and they take and hold a nice edge. They were redundant in my kitchen, so I took them to work where they get abused. The santoku is holding up great, and it's everyone's favorite knife.

As AG said, bad economic conditions for South America and a tradition of quality cutlery means good knife deals for us.
 
They remind me of the three pack of Tramontinas I scored at walmart on clearance. Good steel and they take and hold a nice edge. They were redundant in my kitchen, so I took them to work where they get abused. The santoku is holding up great, and it's everyone's favorite knife.

As AG said, bad economic conditions for South America and a tradition of quality cutlery means good knife deals for us.

The ones with the red handles? I grabbed a set as well...they've held up great.
 
I think these knives just might be the Moras of the kitchen.

Thanks much for the review.

You can buy Mora kitchen knives, only they'll cost more than your set.

My father-in-law uses Mundials all the time and my wife, who's the chef in the family, prefers her Mundial 6" serrated utility over any other knife in the block for prepping large meals (though the longer chef knives get used for slicing pizzas).
 
The ones with the red handles? I grabbed a set as well...they've held up great.

Yeah, with the odd shaped parer and utility, real pointy-like. The santoku gets jumbled around with all kinds of other steel tools and it is still functionaly sharp. Which reminds me, it's about time to empty the knife drawer for another round of sharpening. :thumbup:
 
Not all of us can afford a nice $1000 Japanese knife.

I agree, totally, that finding an inexpensive knife you like and performs to your expectations is great. However, people have this idea stuck in their heads that Japanese knives are expensive. There are quite a few really good gyuto's (Japanese pattern equivalent to a chef's knife) that come in around, or under, $100.00 that would blow these knives out of the water. I mean the OP no offense, but I think it would be worth while to debunk this idea that all Japanese knives cost a small fortune.

Here is an entire thread at KF about low cost, Japanese gyuto's:

http://knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/876677/post/2110997/hl//fromsearch/1/
 
dalee,
Mundial knives are good solid and inexpensive knives.
I think they would be great in a commercial kitchen where equipment gets banged up and sometimes lost.
Case in point. I picked up a chef and a boning knife back in the early 80's.
The chef is long gone due to theft. But the boning knife is still with me.
A lot less blade after all these years but still working hard.
I might try out some of the newer versions.
matter of fact I'll have my friend and dentist pick some up the next time he goes to Brazil on some toofy junket. He always tells me about some great deals he can get.
 
Hi,

I was pretty satisfied to find that Mundial is the maker. I have read some good comments about their machetes in the wilderness forum. I'm just surprised they can make them that good, that cheaply.

And I did get the feeling that these are more aimed at commercial users rather than a home cook like me. They are made to use and nobody would cry much if somebody used the tip of one of these to open a can of peaches.:D Either re-profile it or get a new one.

Watercrawl, you are absolutely right. There are a good number of fine Japanese knives that can be had for a C-note or less. I was just using them as an exaggerated example. I hope we can get some nice reviews about some of those knives here too.

dalee
 
Too bad the dimples don't reach the edge where they'd do some good!

Thanks for the review, I might have to go have a look at my walmart and see what they have
 
Two things about the "dimples": they are there to allow air to get behind the food being sliced to reduce sticking to the blade, they're not supposed to be serrations. Also, an engineer (toooj) once told me that when those 'granton grooves' get too close to the edge, they tend to cause stress risers in the steel.
 
I picked these up last night. I also grabbed a pack with the utility and boning knives. They were reasonably sharp but I touched them up on my wheels and put them to work right away. The santokus had a lot more heft than I expected. They are also quite a bit thicker at the spine than the chef's knives.
 
Hi,

I just remeasured mine. The santokus are .003" thicker at the bolster than the chef's. But the chef's taper quicker and to a finer point. You got a good eye, morrowj_98!:D:D Though it does indicate possible quality variations one may want to be aware of.

I've been thinking I should get a pack of the paring knives, but I don't think I need 8 of them. Maybe I could just keep two and give the rest away here.

dalee
 
Oh NTS you thought I meant the grantons were supposed to be serrations? No my friend, I know the difference. Actually I don't really go for serrated blades myself, closest thing I have is one artfully scalloped bread knife...I do have a few blades with grantons though, but I like to call them dimples. That way most people know what I'm talking about when I point and say "hey look at those dimples"... "Grantons" usually just brings a confused look lol

I've read in a couple of books that grantons don't do what they're supposed to do, which is to reduce drag, unless they go to the edge. I notice on my tsuchime knives, and my knives with grantons that don't go all the way to the edge, that the food sticks just the same as on a plain blade. Maybe they slice with somewhat less effort though. This could be just my technique, I admit.

But with my santokus and my slicer which do have grantons that go all the way to the edge, the food tends to fall away a little better and friction is definitely reduced to some degree.

I've also noticed that the more expensive knives with grantons seem to have them all the way to the edge, while the cheaper ones don't.

Anyway, I appreciate the review, Dale, and everyone's contributions. This series looks like a diamond in the rough to me. Decent steel and decent geometry, pretty good handle too. Seems to me almost anything about one of these knives that isn't just right could be altered to suit. I'm definitely picking up at least a pair of chef's, maybe some santokus too, the price is right!
 
I've had these knives for many years and they suited me well. I broke my chefs knives cutting frozen meat and I was gifted some new ones. The newer ones are made in China, not Brazil. Do you all think that makes a difference?

I've only discovered this forum a few months ago and I am learning about knives. I'm slowly starting to build up my collection.
 
Personally, I'd steer clear of any thing from China. Depending on your budget here.s a few choices I think are more dependable.

The classic French style
http://www.thebestthings.com/knives/sabatiercarbon.htm

scroll down to the open stock,

I have the 32130C which is the 12" chef's. If I could redo the 8 or 9 in. is a more practical length.

a very workable knife
http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-8-Inch-Chefs-Rosewood-Handle/dp/B0019WZEUE/ref=sr_1_11?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1388075931&sr=1-11

And some famous german's
http://www.amazon.com/Messermeister-Meridian-Elite-8-Inch-Chefs/dp/B00004XS0T/ref=sr_1_1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1388076516&sr=1-1&keywords=messermeister+meridian+elite

In the spirit of full disclosure, I have paid for & used at least one example of all brands recommended.:)


The Messermeister's have a fairly pronounced "Belly" so if you do a lot of chopping using a " Rocking motion " they may suit you well.
 
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The newer ones are made in China, not Brazil. Do you all think that makes a difference?

The proof will come when you use the new knives and tell us how they perform compared to your old ones.

China made stuff doesn't have a good reputation but you can't generalize about all products made there. Thanks to US and European manufacturers outsourcing their manufacturing, Chinese knives are slowly but surely getting better. Spyderco, Boker, Kershaw all have some models made there, with quality control standards. Eventually China will be able to produce top quality stuff as well. For now at least, the lowest price seems to be what drives sales, and you know what kind of quality that means....
 
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