KME help needed

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I recently bought a KME and I really like it. However, I haven't been able to get my knives scary sharp yet. I got the standard kit that goes from 140 to 1500 grit. I've gotten my blades sharp enough to shave but I have to put a little effort into cutting the hair. Its not like I just touch it and it pops off. I tried cutting paper and its cuts a little but it tears some too. Is that all I can expect from a 1500 grit stone?

I thought I should be getting sharper results so I've been wondering about some things. 1. I have been wearing one side of the edge unevenly? 2. maybe go to a shallower angel? (I've been using about 22-23 degrees) 3. maybe I just need to spend more time with the initial stone to get the profile right? 4. or maybe I need to buy a stop and 4 micron CBN or some lapping films to get a finer edge?

Please, could you guys with some experience offer some advice? Thanks
 
I recently bought a KME and I really like it. However, I haven't been able to get my knives scary sharp yet. I got the standard kit that goes from 140 to 1500 grit. I've gotten my blades sharp enough to shave but I have to put a little effort into cutting the hair. Its not like I just touch it and it pops off. I tried cutting paper and its cuts a little but it tears some too. Is that all I can expect from a 1500 grit stone?

I thought I should be getting sharper results so I've been wondering about some things. 1. I have been wearing one side of the edge unevenly? 2. maybe go to a shallower angel? (I've been using about 22-23 degrees) 3. maybe I just need to spend more time with the initial stone to get the profile right? 4. or maybe I need to buy a stop and 4 micron CBN or some lapping films to get a finer edge?

Please, could you guys with some experience offer some advice? Thanks
All I know that you should lower your angle... Try 15-17 degrees

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1500 grit should be plenty sharp. You could try a shallower angle but even a 23 degree blade properly sharpened up to 1500 grit should make hair fly. What kind of knife is it and what steel is it? I am wondering if maybe you are not raising a burr completely before switching grits.
 
The one I have been really working on is a cheap Academy Winchester folder. Not sure how hard the steel is
 
1500 grit should be plenty sharp. You could try a shallower angle but even a 23 degree blade properly sharpened up to 1500 grit should make hair fly. What kind of knife is it and what steel is it? I am wondering if maybe you are not raising a burr completely before switching grits.
Or maybe the steel is so soft that it is hard to get a good edge on...

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I recently bought a KME and I really like it. However, I haven't been able to get my knives scary sharp yet. I got the standard kit that goes from 140 to 1500 grit. I've gotten my blades sharp enough to shave but I have to put a little effort into cutting the hair. Its not like I just touch it and it pops off. I tried cutting paper and its cuts a little but it tears some too. Is that all I can expect from a 1500 grit stone?

I thought I should be getting sharper results so I've been wondering about some things. 1. I have been wearing one side of the edge unevenly? 2. maybe go to a shallower angel? (I've been using about 22-23 degrees) 3. maybe I just need to spend more time with the initial stone to get the profile right? 4. or maybe I need to buy a stop and 4 micron CBN or some lapping films to get a finer edge?

Please, could you guys with some experience offer some advice? Thanks

I think you got part of the answer in this post... when sharpening a knife on a guided device for the first time... it takes a bit to "set" the edge to match the guided device... so you might need to spend a bit more time to, as you said, get the profile right. Also make sure you sharpen both sides approximately the same amount, (don't need to count strokes necessarily, just sharpen one side a bit, flip and repeat).

Never hurts to mark the edge with a Sharpie, and make sure you're reaching the edge... sometimes feeling for a burr can be deceiving.
 
I recently bought a KME and I really like it. However, I haven't been able to get my knives scary sharp yet. I got the standard kit that goes from 140 to 1500 grit. I've gotten my blades sharp enough to shave but I have to put a little effort into cutting the hair. Its not like I just touch it and it pops off. I tried cutting paper and its cuts a little but it tears some too. Is that all I can expect from a 1500 grit stone?

I thought I should be getting sharper results so I've been wondering about some things. 1. I have been wearing one side of the edge unevenly? 2. maybe go to a shallower angel? (I've been using about 22-23 degrees) 3. maybe I just need to spend more time with the initial stone to get the profile right? 4. or maybe I need to buy a stop and 4 micron CBN or some lapping films to get a finer edge?

Please, could you guys with some experience offer some advice? Thanks

Hi,
That sounds like you still have burr , like micro burr , very hard to feel or see,

Try this to get rid of micro burr,
using your 1500 kme stone,
increase the angle you're using (like double) +10 would work (like 35)
and do 1-2 pass per side using ultra light force (under 100 or 50 grams or less on a scale)
and then try shaving and cutting paper

It should improve as the blade sounds very sharp already,

If it doesn't improve do 1-2 more ultra light force passes per side

If it does improve then go ahead and "back sharpen" using 1500 grit
that is go back to original not-increased(or double) angle and
do 1-5 (or 10) alternating passes per side to minimize the effect
of the double deburring angle


If it doesn't improve,
means it needs a bit more work on coarser one,
so try using stone before 1500 (whatever it is 1000 grit? 600 ?)
and doing a some 20-30 alternating passes per side (once or twice),
then double angle deburring
then back to onto 1500 stone


That should do it as the blade sounds very sharp already,
But if it still doesn't improve ,
maybe the edge was damaged in previous sharpening ,
so cut the edge off by cutting lightly directly into 1000 or 600 grit stone,
then sharpen starting something in the 300/400 grit range
try not to raise giant burrs especially on very coarse hones (under 200 grit)
and cut off burr using light force and increased/double angle every time you switch stones, esp if you raise a burr on every stone

and repeat as needed


And remember, keep having fun :)
tackle one problem at a time,
sharpen the same practice blade a few times in a row,
then do it again the next day,
and do raise giant burrs in the beginning or you're having a bad day
until you're confident with detecting the big burrs
then make them smaller burrs
and cut up lots of junkmail :D

Dont worry about changing angles until next week (or month), for some perspective consider that under 15 dps edge can chop bones And 12 dps edge can still shaves/whittles beard hair after 1000 slices of hardwood
 
dean o https://www.youtube.com/user/bigo57dean
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put sharpie along the edge of your blade. set the angle so that you are removing the sharpie from start to end, do some test swipes to verify.

basically progress from low grit to high grit.
start with low grit, feel for burr. once burr is along the whole edge flip the knife and do the same. then repeat with the next grit.

after that use a strop to strop the burr off.
a leather strop or balsa wood work good. just apply some strop/honing compound and make sure not to round the edge on the strop ... too steep of an angle will do that.
you could get a kme strop but I don't see the point. if you do, only strop in one direction.

applying compound to leather strop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsPUvK1B65c
i used an iron and or heat gun to do mine in a similar fashion. i used parchment paper to help also, was a mess regardless.
the strop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6_FMYdsjmw
 
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I have a KME system and it sound to me that either you never quite bring your edge up to the apex, or more likely never eliminate the wire edge/burr.
My suggestion is to call KME and talk to Ron. He is very friendly and will walk you through the last steps to deburr your edge.
 
Thanks for all of the responses guys. It is much appreciated. I have been too busy to mess with it lately but Im looking forward to trying these tips.
 
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