Knife attack in Japan ...

What a tragedy. That is so sad.

There are lessons to be learned about Politics, Violence and Reality.

Here are at least eight dead children. "Several dozen injured." I hate to sound like a vulture, I actually though it would happen HERE, in this country, with an edged weapon in a school.

That's why I am vehemently opposed to more firearms restrictions and this tragic incident underscores that...hell of a thing to be "right" about, but it was inevitable that it would happen.

CNN is based in Atlanta, CNN is reporting it, the Blade Show opens today, I wonder if the Promoter will allow CNN to film and continue the mass hysteria with regard to Switchblades, Gravity Knives, Balisongs and a host of other fighting and combat knives, one hand openers, anything else you can imagine.

Because this terrible crime in Japan was perpetrated by a Madman armed with a damned Kitchen Knife.

Isn't it amazing?

I've been debating [arguing] with people in the AKTI Forum for a few days running about this very topic.

Why in the hell do we focus on POCKETknives when people hardly ever use them?

Well, kiss my ass, I hope their reporting is correct and it is not something more ominous than a Kitchen Knife.

------------------
Usual Suspect
Ipsa scientia potestas est aut disce aut discede
Some of my Knives and other neat things
 
I agree with Don that it's very tragic, but it's exactly what a lot of us have been saying. They can ban all the switchblades and Balisongs they want, but what it boils down to is that most people who are killed with knives, are killed by kitchen knives. This sounds cruel and heartless, but this is the incident that the NRA and other pro protection groups have been "waiting" for. It was bound to happen. And in Japan nonetheless. They are one of the "Models of Society" that the gun and knife grabbers hold up as what we should strive to be. At least the "Today Show" told the truth and said that it was a kitchen knife. How are they going to protect us all now? Are they going to come and take our kitchen knives? And if not, then why? They now have just as good a reason to fight for their ban as any other "weapon". This incident will expose how shallow and hypocritical their arguments are. Please don't take my comments the wrong way and think that I am happy this happened.

Jim McCullough

------------------


Next time you feel your life is sooo tough, read this- Some American Heroes
 
We had an unfortunate incident in my little town this week. An off duty police officer was attacked and stabbed multiple times when he tried to get some individuals to disperse from his property one evening. He was in surgery for several hours. He is going to be ok luckily but the whole thing shook me up pretty bad.

Greg
 
This is tragic for so many reasons. Of course the deaths and injuries are a terrible thing but in the scheme of things the attacks on freedom will be the most tragic and far reaching.

Its the playing of politics that will costs us knife and gun freedom. The politicians want to be seen as having "done something" but what they will do will not address the problem of violence but their names will be on a bill "banning dangerous weapons" so they can wave that in the face of the public come election time.

The California situation is in many ways the same thing. The law that AKTI assisted with in CA was intended to address gang violence but when all is said and done the law is just as useless as it was before but its more restrictive on non-criminal knife owners.

If this law works exactly how the California District Attourney's Assoc. hopes it will it will mean that they can bring illegal weapons charges against people who right now are being found not guilty and having their weapons returned to them. In other words the people they are currently having arrested and tried aren't guilty of anything that will stick so they are criminalizing a broader spectrum of edged weapons in hopes of being able to nail them.

I don't think any of us here are in favor of gang violence but I'm not really thrilled with the idea of criminalizing a currently legal tool or weapon expressly because the "suspect" isn't guilty of anything else they can be charged with.

The second expressed purpose of the CDAA is to protect officers from edged weapons that can be rapidly deployed. Well as anyone here knows it doesn't take a "gravity" knife or a "switchblade" properties for a knife to be a lightning fast deploy. Any well lubed one hander can be just as dangerous as these "flick knives" they DA's and CA LEO's are trying to get banned.

So what will be accomplished here? If this law is enforced to its limit then all they will have done is increase the market for the knives many of us use and carry on a daily basis. Once the CDAA and LEO's realize that knives with a "detent ball" and a "bias towards closure" are dangerous in the wrong hands and also readily available we'll be right back in the same situation...with a new law to ban all one handers.

When this inevitably happens the first thing they are going to do is go to their new friends at the AKTI and look for support. I hope by that time knife makers, dealers, and owners will have organized well enough to be able to fight them and not just make another compromise that eliminates more of our rights.

 
Well, you have basically just said what I have been saying for a few days in that Forum of their's and the general attitude is, if you are not a Member, STFU.

That was not Mr. Buck's attitude, but the attitude of a couple of AKTI supporters.

It's like arguing with a bunch of 5 year olds!

They just don't get it.

This is not about Gravity Knives and Springs, it is about the ability of ANY knife to be opened with one hand...
 
Quick, ban kitchen knives. That'll fix it.

Oh, wait, better ban screwdrivers, awls, and ice picks, too.

Oh, and metal working tools, and files, and hammers.

I'm off to pad the neighborhood with Nerf. That'll keep everybody safe. Unless Nerf causes cancer?

Dammit.

-Razor

------------------
me-4.jpg

AKTI #A000845
 
I heard that assault rifles were banned long before anybody ever used one in a crime!! It was because of ****ing Hollywood that they were banned and they are the cause of switchblades, balisongs, and other knives being against the law. Pisses me off.
mad.gif


BTW, what happened in Japan is sick, I don't know how someone could go into an elementary school and start slashing 2nd graders!
mad.gif


------------------
Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
A few of my first balisongs
My ClubPhoto albums of balisongs and misc knives and wallpapers
 
It was not that "Assault Weapons" were never used in a crime, but the FACT is, and the Committee that sent it up for a vote KNEW this FACT, fists & feet were responsible for more fatalities than "Assault Weapons" back in 1994.
 
It was so sad, and angry!

Maybe in Janpan, after such violence blades be bad. But it was that CRAZY got Large KITCHEN Knife!
I think he is not crazy to exempt himself from an obligation. He did exactly!



------------------
Chic Stone
 
I must first say this is a sad sad story.

One could now argue if guns were legal in Japanese schools, someone could have pulled theirs and blown that maniac away.

All it really shows is people can and will do horrible deeds with whatever they can get their hands on. Banning weapons is OBVIOUSLY NOT the answer. Prepare to join together to fight the inevitable knife-ban bills !!!!!

PS: The perpetraitor should be painfully executed !!!!! PAIN PAIN PAIN !!!!!!




------------------
Baddogdave says "Life is
hard,so carry a good knife"
 
The media are reporting that the madman that perpetrated this horrendous act was a psychiatric patient who admitted to being under the influence of drugs.

Unfortunately, there is no way that any society can protect itself against that type of situation.

I think that when the dust settles on this situation, people will come to the realization that it was the disturbed individual and not a kitchen knife that was the real culprit.

------------------
----------
Dick
 
I realize that it is the Liberal Left that has politicized such tragedies. Their normal tactic being to climb up on the nearest stump and call for more bans/restrictions before all the bodies are even bagged, and I realize that because of this, we must respond with at least the same speed if we do not wish to lose our freedoms as the caskets are lowered into the ground.

But...
Today, I'm going to grieve for some poor innocent little kids that don't know anything about politics and were too young to understand the deeper implications of how a repressive government will use their deaths to further an oppresive agenda.
Tomorrow I'll deal with politics.
Today is for the kids.
God love them and grant them peace.



------------------
Tráceme no sin la razón, envoltura mi no sin honor
Usual Suspect
MOLON LABE!
 
Sad....
I hate to see people hurt others,especially with knives....

In Taiwan,nearly anyone who carries knives get caught by police will be prosecuted.
(Unless they are a butcher or a cook on their way to work with knives,or other situation like this.) Basically,there is no
"legal carry" in Taiwan.

Although knife carry is banned here,brutal crimes related with knives happen all the time.Since the balisongs and switchblades were banned in 1990 or 1991,the crimes related with knives doesn't decrease.Now the gangsters on the streets are much better equipped than before.The most common knifves
they use is a 10"~14" ,approximately 1/8" thick,and full flat-grind knives.They are the so-called "Watermeloon knives."
And they are cheaper and relatively more effective than switch blades and balisongs.

It seems to me rediculous that politicians all over the world pay so much attention on pocket knives.Another thing that amazes me is
that most non-knife people I meet believe the world will be safer if all knives banned except kitchen knives,but they always ignore
that most pepole get killed by knives are killed by kitchen knives.

I just can't believe it.
Why are they so blind? And such people are all over the world.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by knifenerd:
I think that when the dust settles on this situation, people will come to the realization that it was the disturbed individual and not a kitchen knife that was the real culprit.</font>
Click to expand...

People realize it right now, that a PERSON did this and not a KITCHEN KNIFE. The problem is, when the knife is DIFFERENT, all of the logic goes right out the window. When it is a GUN, all of the LOGIC goes out the window.

If it was a Switchblade, Gravity Knife, Butterfly Knife, Ballistic Knife, Pocket Knife that opens with one hand, anything that can be described as a, military, combat or fighting knife... The Media would be calling for that type of knife to be some how, some way, controlled.

They will NOT do that with a SCREWDRIVER, KITCHEN KNIFE, BUTCHER'S KNIFE, SUSHI KNIFE, ICEPICK OR CARPET/LINOLEUM KNIFE or a BOXCUTTER.

And that is PRECISELY the POINT, all of these laws are COSMETIC.

There is a good chance you are going to see a Copycat of this in The United States because we have a bunch of kids who do NOT value life. These things happen in clusters because of the Media.

There is a long history of SYMBOLIC LEGISLATION and DRACONIAN PUNISHMENTS for things like this.

We have to move beyond that and I don't know where to start.


[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 06-09-2001).]
 
What a terrible crime, I don't care if he is "mentally unstable" either lock him up permanently or excecute him.

Maybe I'm just dense, but if they want to "protect" kids in school,I don't see why they just don't put metal detector gates at all doors going in & out instead of what my kid's school is doing, which is locking the doors so visitors must be buzzed in.
Neither will help if there is not an armed guard of some type to confront the visitor or person who set off the alarm & make sure they are "clean" of weapons.
 
I believe the dust will settle quickly on this incident in Japan. They, very wisely, have chosen to forego the elevation of such criminals to cult status as we do here in the US. They also don't care to wave their dirty laundry for the rest of the world to observe.

We have the perception that there is no crime in Japan and that such atrocities never happen there. Having lived over there, I can tell you that perception is wrong.

How many, here, ever heard of the case, a few years ago, where students at a high school came to school one morning only to find the head of one of their classmates sitting on the ground in front of the gates to the school? Turns out that the murderer was a 14 year old student at that school. He decapitated one of his classmates for no apparent reason, other than to see what kind of reaction he would get. He didn't even seem to worry about getting caught. I don't know what happened to him. He was quietly taken and locked away, I guess. The point of that story is that, whatever noteriety this kid wanted was denied him. He didn't accomplish his ultimate goal and become remembered in the history of his community, other than the crazy kid who cut off the headof one of his classmates.

We don't do that here. People like the two at Columbine and the shooters at McDonalds, in San Ysidro, and Stockton and Granite Hills and all the others have their names emblazoned on our TV screens and in the newspapers, ad-nauseum.

They become infamous, which is the same, in their minds as being famous. We grant them the noteriety they crave and then wonder why when, a while later, someone else tries to out do the last one. We promote these atrocities with our constant reporting and analysis and hand wringing over where society went wrong and failed these poor souls.

In doing so we also promote ourselves as a violent and scary society that is reviled and feared in some parts of the world. Even places where the crime and violence are much worse.

Thae OKC bomber (I won't say his name...I won't say any of their names! I refuse to participate in their immortalization.) Should be taken quietly to the execution chamber, killed and buried in an unmarked grave somewhere and all traces of his personal existance erased.

Let his surviving victems watch, if they wish but, beyond that, it should be a non-event for the rest of us. He doesn't deserve the effort it takes to talk about him.

The Japanese have it right in these instances. We could learn a few things. Pick up the bodies. Wipe up the blood, mourn the dead, take care of the wounded, get rid of the perpetrator....and get on with life.


Rant's over!

------------------
Dennis Wright
Wright Knife & Sporting Goods
La Mesa, CA
1-800-400-1980
wrightknife@ixpres.com
("Have a knife day!")
www.wrightknife.com
 
That's horrible in the truest sense of the word.

What's this mean for the future of 6" kitchen knives? Probably nothing since it is a common item and CLEARLY the man behind the knife that was the dangerous part of the scenario. But I can't held but think that if it had been a "tactical knife" then all hell would break loose on the industry. It would then CLEARLY be the knife's fault.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top