knife confessions - accepting a challenge

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I have more knives than I need. I"m sure i'm the only one here with that issue.

Early on, I was somewhat obsessed with the knives being "just right", depending on what they are. I love a wharncliffe 1095 GEC knife (mine are harder than their spec, which makes them just lovely for fine edge holding).

I've also got some wondersteel knives, etc.

But the challenge is when you're an edge chaser, but lazy - how do you get a knife that's cheap to be really nice to use?

When I first started buying pocket knives, a friend of mine who was toolmaker at williamsburg told me that he would charge $1500 for a knife similar to one of the unxld knives he bought if someone asked for it custom, he was just puzzled with how they could do as good of a job as cheap. And then I'd read reviews somewhere and certainly, someone would show up with "barely better than rough rider, and rough riders are $14 - save your money"

So, I couldn't resist buying a rough rider lockback. The first one that I got had enormous side play and compared to the GEC knife, it was soft - very. Even a simple novaculite stone raises a huge wire edge on it. I put it aside and didn't think about it too long.

Then, I came across a knife in SGPS that didn't seem to like a fine edge from any stone that I have (I have hundreds). By that, I mean similar subjective sharpness to carbon steel at 61 hardness, and no burr. In exasperation, I reset the bevel on the knife on crystolon (whoa, that would almost file it away- a complete departure vs. everything else), and hit the edge with a few strokes on an india stone and then ran the knife over a gray deburring wheel and a buff with 5 micron compound.

The edge was silent shaving, no carbide pits or anything in it, just perfectly smooth. I came to find out that this isn't a hair hanging edge, but it's protective of the apex since it's modified. The rest of the geometry is not much changed.

That left me with an idea for gouges that I hate to sharpen for woodworking but like to use for heavy work, and then I got the idea that the butter blade on the RR lockback could be sharpened without burr formation off of the buff. It was great! Not a good knife, but a great solution. A stroke or two on the india stone when it gets out of shape and then deburr and buff. Easy clean silent shaving on both sides of the bevel ( no burr). I've since applied this to every knife that seems a bit soft and has edge deflection issues (and will have an article in a woodworking magazine in a week or two describing the method to eliminate early edge damage on bench chisels).

If the buffing is kept just to the tip of the blade, only the tip of the apex is gone and the subjective sharpness is at least as good. If the edge gets damaged, it takes probably a minute to change a damaged edge to fully polished.

Application for kitchen knife abuses is also excellent - you have a wife who draws a knife edge across a cutting board? far less damage (or chipping if the knife is hard).

What's the virtue of the cheapie knives if you have nice ones? Last year the mrs. and I went downtown with the kids to look at a gingerbread house contest setup (it's serious business here - hundreds of them, some professionally done in fondant, etc). Unfortunately, they moved the display to the lobby of the courthouse last year. That means for you, me and everyone else who has a small pocket knife, no entry and we were with a group of friends who is ...let's say, a bit sheltered. They think anyone carrying a knife is looking for trouble. On the way in, I tossed the RR in the trash without saying anything. When I got home, I ordered another one for $11. And got in no trouble with the mrs. because she never saw any of it, either.

Just used the RR today (the "new" one) to open a box from NJ steel baron - the box had a hidden ply side that was stapled in, which did fairly minimal damage to the edge compared to what it would've done if there was a full crisp apex. Time to repair the damage and be back to full polish (india, deburr, buff)....68 seconds.
 
I'm not sure if there's a question in there or if you're just making a statement. But the part that stood out to me was throwing your knife away to avoid upsetting your friends.

If my friends couldn't handle the fact that I carry a pocketknife, I'd get new friends.

Dump the "friends", not the knife.


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Recently, I made a hasty trip to a hospital in a nearby town. I had heard that some emergency rooms scan people and I thought that I might have to stash my knife before entry. I took along an old Colonial Barlow that only cost me a few bucks in the event that I might leave it in the bushes while in the hospital. Turned out that there was no reason for concern. Later I used my Barlow to cut an apple and my sister in law was aghast. No matter, I never did like her, anyway. The cost of potentially losing my knife, about $5. Pissing off my sister in law--priceless.
 
He tossed the knife so he could go through the metal detector. #courthouse

Bingo - if it would've just been the friends, I wouldn't have dumped it. I sharpen their kitchen knives for them and they know I'm a nut (far nuttier than carrying a pocket knife, which isn't so nutty when someone wants something opened). The dynamic of the display was the checkpoint has a long line, was in an entranceway and the exit was on the opposite side. The screwing around with the courthouse people (who are working in an urban area) wasn't worth asking questions, and then having to come back through a crowd against the flow to get the knife.

The bonus is that the first RR was a turd - even for an RR, and when I ordered a replacement, it still has the butter soft blade, but everything about it is tight and the way it should be.

I'd have waited outside if I was carrying a tidioute, but a cheap knife afforded several decisions (with the luck of a better replacement by chance).

The other part of the post was just to note that when I first started, I'd have called the knife useless - the softness makes it hold on to its burr obnoxiously and then it doesn't reward you with much edge life. But if you resign yourself to doing most of the edge maintenance with a deburring wheel and a buff, it's crazy sharp and if it lasts 1/4th of what a knife in M390 would, it doesn't matter - it's about a 15 second refresh, and a minute if you go back to the stones to adjust geometry or straightness.

It ended up teaching me something - that what I do with knives makes a bigger difference than what the knife is (to a point, at least). That also unlocked a gaggle of woodworking tools that were on the soft side, and in the balance of things, if I cut boxes down with this knife (or whittled or snipped wood), the cycle of sharpening vs. use would be about the same as super steel.
 
He tossed the knife so he could go through the metal detector. #courthouse

Yeah, I saw that part. It was the following part that I was referring to-

we were with a group of friends who is ...let's say, a bit sheltered. They think anyone carrying a knife is looking for trouble.

Looks like he's saying that he threw it away, rather than choosing a different option, because his friends have a negative view of anyone carrying a knife.

Or maybe I read it wrong. In any event, far be it from me to tell anyone how to pick THEIR friends. Like I said in my post, it's what I would do.

And it seems to me that there are a variety of options for dealing with a a situation where one has a knife in their pocket and they discover they need to pass through a metal detector-

1. Go back to ones vehicle.

2. Stick the knife in a nearby bush or planter and hope it's still there on my way out.

3. Ask the guards/deputies at the door if they would hold it for me. If they're cool, like maybe knife enthusiasts, maybe they will. Certainly worth asking.

The knives I carry aren't "valuable", but they have value to me. At least to the degree that I would look for any option rather than throwing them away. I couldn't see myself choosing and carrying knives based on the extremely unlikely possibility that I might encounter a metal detector and have to throw them away.

I got the impression that the OP went right to the nuclear option of throwing his knife away because he didn't want to upset, or be judged by his friends.

But again, maybe I read it wrong.:)
 
Recently, I made a hasty trip to a hospital in a nearby town. I had heard that some emergency rooms scan people and I thought that I might have to stash my knife before entry. I took along an old Colonial Barlow that only cost me a few bucks in the event that I might leave it in the bushes while in the hospital. Turned out that there was no reason for concern. Later I used my Barlow to cut an apple and my sister in law was aghast. No matter, I never did like her, anyway. The cost of potentially losing my knife, about $5. Pissing off my sister in law--priceless.

My kind of man - no line and no holiday rush at an event, and I'd have probably just asked the guys. Years ago, I went through the liberty bell just passing through Philadelphia and I had a little keychain knife (a schrade). I didn't even think about it. We went through the metal detector and I had "hidden" a knife. The guys conferred about it, but I told them "I don't want to pitch that". They decided it was fine. This was a while ago - i'm sure there will be some jockeys who talk about what the rules are now, but it was long enough ago that they may have been different. I used that little keychain knife all the time to open stuff and eat fruit. Drives my mrs. nuts.

As per the friends mentioned above, I don't think they'd have been bothered so much by the knife as with the fact that I could've tied a group of about 15 or 20 people (with kids) up over a pocket knife. I don't want to sound like a total jerk, but I also don't trust the decision making capabilities of the security folks - these aren't police officers, they're security people who may not be quite so rosy tempered (I can guarantee the city policy officers here would pull out their EDC and have a pow wow to talk over favorites). The city officers here are a lot easier to get along with than the small town officers I grew up around as a kid. I double yellow passed a bus in town once in a rush and looked in my mirror and noticed a city officer behind me - he blitzed around the bus at the same time behind me and the way he rolled into the lane and back, I thought he was on me. I took a turn and he waved as he went by. They've got bigger fish to fry than hanging up some guy getting frustrated about stopping repeatedly behind a bus).
 
Yeah, I saw that part. It was the following part that I was referring to-



Looks like he's saying that he threw it away, rather than choosing a different option, because his friends have a negative view of anyone carrying a knife.

Or maybe I read it wrong. In any event, far be it from me to tell anyone how to pick THEIR friends. Like I said in my post, it's what I would do.

Wife's friends. My friends would probably be carrying a bigger knife than mine.

This knife had no value to me - gave me the wrong idea partially about RR and all cheap knives. Even at this point, for beaters, I'd rather haunt ebay for some of those TSA style confiscated lots and just get old half worn-out knifes 10 for $50. They get the same treatment - deburr and buff and then cut down boxes and hit hidden staples and so on.

it also taught me when I didn't know where I was going, carry a knife that I wouldn't mind tossing. Would've taken at least 15 minutes to go backwards through the flow and get my knife back - not worth the trouble, that was the real issue. That and maybe too negative about it, but the chance that some jackwagon guard having a bad day would make a big deal about it. I'd get fired from that job "hey, that looks like an EDC to me - you don't have to leave it here. Just take it with you so you don't have to come back".

Vehicle was at least a half mile away through town in the winter.
 
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