Knife design question

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Howdy John, everyone,
Ok here are some questions about design and tradeoffs. OK, a shorter blade gives you more leverage- force,( I think ) what do you get with a longer blade? OK, how about blade height? I would think a "shorter blade would have less drag, might cut easier, but i just don't know. What would a taller blade do for you?

Thanks

Dan
 
Actually a longer blade will give you more leverage for prying (if that`s what you are talking about), but a shorter blade will be stronger. My opinion (not that it means too much) is that a 1 1/4" - 1 1/2" tall blade is best for all around use. 1" may be nice for bushcrafting or carving, and 2" might be good for a chopper, but the mid sizes are better all arounders. Just my opinion.
 
John, you're the expert here and have always given me great advice, so I listen thanks Dan
 
Some say when in doubt go bigger, but I think, for me, that doesn't work. I just prefer a handier blade that weighs less and is easier to use for nearly everything except for 1 thing...chopping. If I want a chopping blade I would really start at 8 or 9" and go up from there if needed. This of course depends on blade stock and blade width.
 
can"t argue, my 1" tall, 1/8 thick Hiker is lightweight and AWESOME. But I also drive a suburban and love to carry my 12 guage, so i am prone to overkill!
 
I've always had a problem with the "what ever works for you" answers, but having played with more knives of different lengths and heights I can understand it a lot more. Still I keep looking for that all rounder that never disappoints in any role I put a knife to (good luck right) I also think choosing the best all around stats can leave you feel underwhelmed all the time. What I'm saying ts you have to find some dimension shape, color thats always worth it even though they all have cones, for me thats a knife thats not so long, (I max out around 8.5 and usually carry under 7"ers) In the end I have come to realize the wisdom in the "whatever works for you" answer, frankly even the best designed, most beautiful knife over 8.5 is always going to left at home when I need it.(sorry I've been thinking about this stuff a lot this last week, ;))

To actually answer your question from my experience, which is dwafed quickly by others, I know, what I have found is the following:

-John is right in my opinion. To get the strength in a shorter blade at a bigger length you'd have to increase the blade thickness a lot just because of leverage and "return force(?)" from the thing you are cutting. It's the same reason you hook two wrenches together to overcome a difficult nut or use a long plank of wood to pry up a floor board rather then a short thicker one.

-A longer blade is able to cut things that are thicker and longer (wood, game, big chickens) a lot more easily.

-The thicker your blade the stronger it is, but heavier ad more cumbersome to carry (of course I'm sure what you find cumbersome is also a personal thing).

-Thinner, shorter blades slice more easily (then again a knife sharpened by a lot of the guys and gals here at 1/4 ich thick probably still slices better then a knife sharpened by me at 1/16, but all things being equal...) But they chop, ct through with more difficulty.

-I think a shorter blade is easier to carry (also depending on your hand - mine are fairly large but thin) it might be more comfortable to handle and therefore effect how much you can do - if it's the "wrong" height for your hand a lot of battening is going to start to hurt for example.) I also find thiner blades more utilitarian, you can cut things more precisely and have more control over the cut.

-On the other hand a thin blade, a short blade and/or a narrow blade generally gets scuppered when it comes across a task that needs a thick, long and/or fat blade but a thick, fat and/or long blade generally can do, or at least manage, the tasks of a thin blade unless you need exacting precision.

Take care, :)
 
Thanks for the food for thought KYenglish. Thinking of my own habits, I find myself carrying the smaller/lighter Hiker more than all others. I have a few other Knives from John, but the multipupose, and relatively light Hiker is the one that always gets to go along.
Dan
 
If what you mean by a shorter blade having more leverage was relating to cutting, then I would probably tend to agree with that. A longer lever will always offer more leverage in prying but while cutting a longer blade can move that sweet spot for slicing further from your hand, increasing the leverage on your grip. I think this reduces both power and control in many types of cuts.
 
Hi danc -

I think the taller blade, in terms of distance from edge to spine, only contributes to drag in a cutting operation.

Most really good slicers that I have are less tall blades.

A taller blade also will be stronger, and like Mr. K said, would be better for use as a tool other than for cutting (prying etc).

I also find that you get more leverage from a longer handle and a shorter blade, and also I like an arching line from the butt to the tip of the blade, which puts the edge into an attack mode on the piece being cut. Think the Big Mack Cutlass, the ESEE Izula etc.

You did not ask, but I prefer thinner blades for most uses I have for a knife (mostly food prep).

best

mqqn
 
Having a taller blade means you can go thinner without losing strength. It also enables you to have a more gradual taper from spine to edge. If you think of chefs carving knives they are always fairly tall, this is because they have a nice gradual taper so it cuts the meat rather than trying to force it apart like a splitting wedge in wood.
 
Wow always something to muddy the waters. Taller blade makes thinner OK, taller blade more drag, wow, I think I will just go back to where I started, just tell john what I plan to do with it, and ask him what to get.
 
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