Knife design

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how carefully do you plan a knife before you make it ?
Do you draw it from all angels and then start, or do you take a blade and some handle materials and go for it, not knowing what it's going to look like until it's finished ?
I've done it both ways, and either works for me.
 
I find that I think beter with a piece of metal in my hands. I usually draw the pattern directly on the steel and begin to grind. The finished knife usually bears some resemblance to the rough drawing but more often than not there has been something added or deleted in the process. I think this is called "artistic inspiration" although some makers call it "oops".



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george
www.tichbourneknives.com
sales@tichbourneknives.com

 
i draw all of my knives out on paper before i do anything, i also gather all my materials. i usually end up with a blade that is different from the scetch becuase or grinding, and i change around my ideas while making the blade, it also has alot to do with the plasma cutter, it leaves burrs deap in the steel so when i grind then out i change the demensions, speaking of which does anyone know where to get a water jet cutter that is small for blade smithing?
 
I agree with George....I do a rough drawing & go from there. I will make the knife & love it. Then play with it for a while & think, Hmmm, maybe I should change this angle a little. Anyway, to make it short. I will change the design slightly about 4-5 times before I am satisfied. I know some guys spend a lot of time doing drawings to precise scale, & sometimes computer designed, but I like to do it by "feel"...

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I put folders on paper for a pattern, but mainly for the pivot area and belly of blade
to get dimention.
fixed blades are just in my head the way GOD gives them too me.

goshawk

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Don't walk in tradition just because it feels good!!!!!
Romans 10:9,10
Psalm 91


 
I draw constantly. When I have an idea, I will doodle it here and there for days until I get the shape worked out. Then I start making drawings on graph paper, with measurements and sometimes 3D projections and such. I don't feel this is necessary, but I received training in classical mechanical drawing (odd for young people these days), so I enjoy doing this. None of this really matters very much on a fixed-blade - it just cements the shape in my head. Then I do a rough sketch on barstock and let it evolve from there. I find that curves and subtleties of shape that are difficult to capture with a pencil come almost naturally from the grinding process, so I don't try to let my doodles get in the way of what I end up with.

Folders require a bit more precision (though I have made only a few). These usually get careful drawings and I will cut the drawings out and move them around to make sure my ideas of how it will fit open and closed work properly (I am disgusted when I see a knife whose lines don't "work" closed as well as open - this is important!) My final drawings are photocopied and and a copy is cut out and glued to the materials to make sure I follow the pattern closely. Even here, though, the final fitting always works better by eye, not sticking to some pattern. I sometimes leave areas of the pattern oversized, to be figured out as the knife is made.

Perhaps my prolific drawings are because I am a relative neophyte, or because I have trouble finding shop time. For whatever reason, I have hundreds of "paper knives" for every one that reaches steel. I do feel that while shape need not be worked out beforehand, every step in the construction should be carefully planned ahead of time. I build a knife in my head dozens of times before I start handling materials, and this helps avoid unexpected difficulties.

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-Drew Gleason
Little Bear Knives
 
I do a few rough sketches just to get the idea down. Then I draw one full scale to get a feel for it`s dimentions. Lastly I transfer it to cardboard and cut it out so I can actually grip it in different ways and see how finger grooves and such feel and if they need to be changed. When I`m ready to put it in steel I lay the cardboard pattern over the stock and trace it. Once I start grinding I usually change a few details but it stays more or less the same. This method leaves me a bunch of patterns that I can use if I wanna produce more than one of a certain design. Marcus
 
I work full time in a rather large manufacturing company. When I come up with a hunting knife design on paper, I usually bring it to work and transfer it to some 1/8 aluminum sheet and sometimes add some handle material. With the bandsaw and the belt grinder this takes all of about ten minutes! Then the process begins.......... Most of my "friends" at work are more than eager to critique my design. We have lots of hunters and fishermen etc. What I am looking for is their reaction to the handle. I have a big hand and can't design knives just to fit me. I will grind away or TIG weld on material until several people say " Yah, that feels pretty good" This part can take several days, because I still have to work while I'm at work! I usually design everything from the handle forward or I would wind up with something that looks like a fantasy knife! I enjoy getting feedback on the knives I make. This method allows me to get the feedback and finalize a design befor I cut steel. Now, if I only worked where someome had the vaguest understanding of what should go into a tactical knife!!!!!!!!
 
I seldom draw knives. I form a picture in my mind of what a specific knife will be when completed, and then mentally take steps backwards to the starting point, I find that this way I can normally identify potential construction problems, and having already thought about what steps to take, can usually find a solution to a problem before it arises. This works great for actual knives, however, I often work up damascus patterns on paper prior to starting. I find that in many respects a folded sheet of paper will give me fairly accurate ideas of what I can expect from a billet of damascus. I call this "Thinking in the fourth dimension" It's easy to see what is happening on the surface, but sometimes imagining whats happening on the interior gets tricky.
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Ed Caffrey
"The Montana Bladesmith"


 
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