Knife for a young Boy Scout

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A buddy of mine has a son that is new into the Scouts, and he was asking me for a knife recommendation, knowing that I am a "knife guy". I wanted to poll the audience to see what recommendations you might have as well. Here are a few requirements that we put together...
1) Relatively inexpensive (<$30). He is worried about it getting lost!
2) It has to have some sort of lock for safety sake.
3) Under 4" long.

What would you recommend to him? Thanks all!
 
If it has to have a lock than a SAK is out. That would have been my recommendation.

Maybe a RAT 2?
 
Im going to be the guy who suggests a Svord Peasant or Opinel. They're simple, inespensive, robust and require maintnance while at the same time are easy to maintain. Non stainless is good because he will have to care for it. Of those two Ii would lean towardsthe Svord Peasant (or mini peasant).
 
I'd go classic style BSA 4 blade knife. No lock but I've yet to meet a 9 fingered Scout. Then or now.
VSA Pioneer is nice.
 
If it has to have a lock than a SAK is out. That would have been my recommendation.

Maybe a RAT 2?

There are lots of locking SAKs. Victorinox and Wenger both have a line of large locking SAKs, which are grea outdoors tools. If the blades on those are too long (they are around 4"), then take a look at some of Wenger's 85mm locking models.

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Is the lock required by the local troop? If not, I would reconsider.

He is really safer with a slip joint. Sportsmen who know they have safety equipment take more risks, and have more accidents. Teach him to use a slip joint safely. Then teach him to treat any locking knife as if it was a slippy.

If you’re with me this far, I recommend a Victorinox Farmer. It is the standard Boy Scout pattern, plus a great saw.
 
2) It has to have some sort of lock for safety sake.

Just out of curiosity, who says it needs a lock?

Generations of Scouts were trained to use a knife using slipjoint folders. The slipjoints were for a reason...when you have learned to use one safely, you can use any knife safely.

Getting the kid a locking folder is, in the end, less safe. Kid's going to expect/rely on a lock a folders, and he's going to be in a situation when he doesn't have a lock, or a lock fails, or he shouldn't be using a folder, and then he's gonna get hurt.

If the current Boy Scout knife is made by a good maker get him that.

If not...get him a Vic Farmer.
 
My camillus Cub Scout knife (from the 80's) had a liner lock on the main blade. You can often find these used in antique, thrift, or army surplus stores or on some auction sites. I also like the Vic alox farmer and similar models. How old is this kid?
 
Buck 112 with belt sheath. Easy to carry but not as easy to loose. Good size for a kid and a solid lock.

More traditional looking than the newer styles but it has been the go to, in the woods, knife for many men and boys for many years.
 
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I would have said the RAT II, but then came the ESEE/BRK Zancudo collaboration knife....


My suggestion (the zancudo) exactly! Nothin wrong with the RAT (I have a model 1), but the zancudo is everything the rat isn't- R.I.L. vs. W.L.L., better blade shape, thinner...
 
I won't claim to be an expert on all things scouting, but I've been involved in scouts at one level or another for many years now, as a den leader, cub master, assistant scout master, and merit badge counselor. Here's what I know or recall: There are very few rules at the national level regarding knives. Fixed blades are allowed but not encouraged. Many sources claim a 4 inch max blade length, but I'm unaware of an official policy on it. Same goes for locking blades: there is no rule regarding requiring a locking blade. Many scouts carry slip joints, and in fact most "official" BSA knives sold at scout shops are slip joints. (I would not recommend most of those knives though...you don't know who the manufacturer is, and while they are all stainless, most don't even tell you what kind of steel. There are plenty of knives from reputable manufacturers that also bear the official BSA badge if that is something you are looking for. Find a copy of Boy's Life or Scouting magazine and look in the ads in the back.)

I personally think a slip joint is the safest. We are all adults, at least age wise :) and are (hopefully) adept at manipulating a liner or frame lock. A ten year old, maybe not so much, and the lock is encouraging them to put their fingers in front of a blade that is about to be moving. They may not have the experience or the dexterity to close the blade in a controlled manner and/or clear their fingers from the blade path. I have personally witnessed boys having issues with liner locks, which I think are harder to manipulate with smaller fingers and less muscle and dexterity, though I haven't seen anyone cut from trying to close a knife...just come close. (Using my logic, I suppose back locks would be ok.)

A Cub Scout is required to have their Whittlin' Chip in order to carry a knife. It is a wallet card, and must be on their person any time they carry. They can also get a patch for their uniform, but I think the card is still required as it is signed by an adult leader. A Boy Scout must have earned and have on their person a Totin' Chip. If the boys are carrying and asked to present their chip and don't have it they have to give up their knife for the event/meeting/camp/what have you. I've never seen a boy asked for it unless they were abusing the tool or violating the rules. I think a cub scout has to be a first year Webelo (fourth grade) to earn their Whittlin' Chip. Someone could certainly give a boy a knife at a younger age, but they won't be allowed to carry it at scouting events.

Individual units/packs/troops may have their own rules. I don't know if your requirement for the lock is your preference, the parent's preference, or a rule of the unit, but by all means abide by that as opposed to my opinion. But I will encourage whomever is suggesting the lock to evaluate the advantages vs. disadvantages.

Having said all that, I think a SAK is the way to go. I think the Farmer and Huntsman are great choices. I've never seen a boy that wasn't fascinated by the multitude of tools, and it is a classic and instantly recognizable. The boys just respect a SAK because it has an image/reputation. Get him a nice little sheath with a snap (not velcro, he'll lose the knife, trust me) and he's good to go. And those extra tools will one day come in handy when they are camping and realize they did indeed forget a can opener :)
 
A buddy of mine has a son that is new into the Scouts, and he was asking me for a knife recommendation, knowing that I am a "knife guy". I wanted to poll the audience to see what recommendations you might have as well. Here are a few requirements that we put together...
1) Relatively inexpensive (<$30). He is worried about it getting lost!
2) It has to have some sort of lock for safety sake.
3) Under 4" long.

What would you recommend to him? Thanks all!

I would recommend the Bear Grylls Scout knife. Not the sheath knife but the folding scout knife.
 
The Victorinox Farmer is a good choice. For a locking knife look at the Victorinox Outrider.
 
Another vote for a SAK here and even if he has to have a locking blade I would be looking for one of the Wenger Evo models with the locking main blade that Franciscomv mentioned above.
 
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