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Week before last, I made a hidden tang knife at the Blacksmithing Guild of Central MD taught by Rob Deker, and Derrek Kemper. Learned a ton. But I am very interested in making full tang knifes with a slotted guard. I know you can pin them, but does anyone weld them on before heat treat?

I read some Braze before heat treat.
 
Unless you specifically want the Cooper look of a brazed guard, I'd silver solder it on after heat treat. That let's you choose from more materials than yellow brass too
 
Or forge the blade and guard out of the same bar. Then you don't have to fit, pin or solder it in place.
 
Welding will mess with the mechanical properties of the blade steel, at the guard joint, although some post-welding cycles could be performed to mitigate the effects somewhat. A better way as JT states would be to forge it all integral if you wanted a one-piece knife like that. Brazing is not very common, as heat treating would have to be done afterward and the heat involved for heat treating and brazing are fairly close to one another.
Having to slot, pin and solder a guard is a very common method, although anymore it's just another reason I prefer hidden tang designs. I did make a fair few knives that way though. You'd peen the guard on with a couple of pins, tight so already it won't move, and then seal up the joint with solder. I recommend stay brite solder and sta-clean flux, the most common combo in use probably with knife guys. Do some research around this site, and around other forums and YouTube if you want to learn how to solder. Or, buy "How to make Knives" the old standby written by Loveless and crew, which has a good description of the process. The blade will already be heat treated at this point, and the solder used will flow at or below the temper temp of the blade steel.
 
I appreciate it. I got the brazing idea from Dave Boye's knife book.

I can solder electrical things rather well, but know it can be weak. It seems it would take some very small pins to pin in a full tang with slotted guard. I see folks do that.

Thanks again.
 
Pin, then solder. Stay Bright is what I recommend. I have gotten to the point on hidden tang knives that I don't solder the guards, I do a press fit with JB weld as a seal. Unfortunately I haven't managed to get a tight enough fit for the same process on a full tang yet. Would rather a thin silver line than a grey one.
 
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