Knife identification

[ron55]

Friend gifted me this pocket knife that he bought at a garage sale. No markings anywhere.

Spey and clip blades 3-1/2” each, 4” closed
Liner locks
Thumb studs - no nail nicks
Wood handles, brass dividers between colors
Stainless steel blades and bolsters

I’d like to know some history/ identification of this knife. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[afishhunter]

Modified Rough Rider moose?
RR had a square bolster with the handle divided like that.
Not sure how the nail nicks were filled in. Welded and ground, maybe?

 

[ron55]

Modified Rough Rider moose?
RR had a square bolster with the handle divided like that.
Not sure how the nail nicks were filled in. Welded and ground, maybe?

I did a search on Google lens, and one possibility is a Rough Rider. But it isn’t a real good match. The rough rider doesn’t have the thumb studs.

I don’t think mine ever had nail nicks. No evidence of any being filled in

 

[afishhunter]

The thumb studs look add-on to me. Few if any otherwise traditional patterns have thumb studs. Hole was drilled in the blades when the knife was modified. (diamond bit? spines heated to remove the temper?)
Off hand I cannot think of a factory traditional with studs. Case recently came out with a line that have a hole, S35V(?) blades, and a clip.
I know there is a way to test to see if a firearm has been welded, (E.G.: "BLACK POWDER ONLY" and other modern stamps on reproduction arms in an attempt to pass them off as high value rare originals. The LeMat revolver, for example.) I forget the name of the test, and if it uses acid, magniflux, or some other method. The test is not done often, since there are other ways to determine if it is genuine ...accurate measurements, location of the serial number, the serial number, inspector marks (military arms), screw thread pitch, and so on.

 

[Obsessed with Edges]

'No markings anywhere' is often indicative of very inexpensive knives out of Pakistan, etc. I think the lack of any markings whatsoever, even for the country of origin, is probably the most telling ID marker of knives like these. And the 'bolted on' look of the non-traditional brass thumbstuds, on an otherwise 'traditional' moose pattern, sort of fits for these knives too, sometimes. Used to see many with these attributes at gun/knife shows in the 1990s, in particular.

 

[ron55]

The thumb studs look add-on to me. Few if any otherwise traditional patterns have thumb studs. Hole was drilled in the blades when the knife was modified. (diamond bit? spines heated to remove the temper?)
Off hand I cannot think of a factory traditional with studs. Case recently came out with a line that have a hole, S35V(?) blades, and a clip.
I know there is a way to test to see if a firearm has been welded, (E.G.: "BLACK POWDER ONLY" and other modern stamps on reproduction arms in an attempt to pass them off as high value rare originals. The LeMat revolver, for example.) I forget the name of the test, and if it uses acid, magniflux, or some other method. The test is not done often, since there are other ways to determine if it is genuine ...accurate measurements, location of the serial number, the serial number, inspector marks (military arms), screw thread pitch, and so on.

The thumb studs kind of look like add-ons being brass with stainless? screws on stainless? blades. But the clip point blade tucks into the knife so far that I don’t think that a nail nick would work.

 

[ron55]

'No markings anywhere' is often indicative of very inexpensive knives out of Pakistan, etc. I think the lack of any markings whatsoever, even for the country of origin, is probably the most telling ID marker of knives like these. And the 'bolted on' look of the non-traditional brass thumbstuds, on an otherwise 'traditional' moose pattern, sort of fits for these knives too, sometimes. Used to see many with these attributes at gun/knife shows in the 1990s, in particular.

Interesting- your assessment makes a lot of sense. I’m new at this, but I’ve never seen thumb studs on knives with 2 blades. The studs don’t seem to match the knife, but I think they are original.

 

[Hickory n steel]

This knife ringe some bells for me.

I think this is a steel warrior knife from frost cutlery that was modified / customized by Santa Fe stoneworks, but I can't find an example.

 

[Jack Black]

Perhaps ask in the General forum, the thumb-studs mean this knife breaches the definition of a traditional knife, as outlined in the sub-forum guidelines

 

[r8shell]

It looks like a knock off of the Kershaw "Double Cross".

 

[ron55]

It looks like a knock off of the Kershaw "Double Cross".

It does - very close knock off

 

[ron55]

This knife ringe some bells for me.

I think this is a steel warrior knife from frost cutlery that was modified / customized by Santa Fe stoneworks, but I can't find an example.

I know what you mean. I have a Kershaw Santa Fe stoneworks custom and I see similarities

 

[killgar]

Is that a crack in the clip-point blade next to the thumb stud?

The knife screams Pakistan to me. A knock-off of the Kershaw Double Cross.

I believe that even the cheapest Frost knives have the Frost logo stamped into the ricasso of one blade.

 

[ron55]

Is that a crack in the clip-point blade next to the thumb stud?

The knife screams Pakistan to me. A knock-off of the Kershaw Double Cross.

I believe that even the cheapest Frost knives have the Frost logo stamped into the ricasso of one blade.

No - just a grease/ oil line. Knife does look like my Kershaw with the thumb studs.

 

[Hickory n steel]

Is that a crack in the clip-point blade next to the thumb stud?

The knife screams Pakistan to me. A knock-off of the Kershaw Double Cross.

I believe that even the cheapest Frost knives have the Frost logo stamped into the ricasso of one blade.

The steel warrior line often just has the logo etched on the blade.

 

[killgar]

The steel warrior line often just has the logo etched on the blade.

All of the Frost Steel Warrior knives I see have tang stamps. With "Steel Warrior" being one of those stamps. Some also have blade etches.

A Google search for "Frost Steel Warrior" shows dozens of different models and variations with that stamp.

 

[Hickory n steel]

All of the Frost Steel Warrior knives I see have tang stamps. With "Steel Warrior" being one of those stamps. Some also have blade etches.

A Google search for "Frost Steel Warrior" shows dozens of different models and variations with that stamp.

They have done them without a tang stamp before.
When my dad was always ordering me knives off TV when I was a kid, 4 or 5 of the steel warrior and Occoe River knives I had were not tang stamped.