I heard that in G.B. or it may have been just in London that it illegal to carry any knife around unless it is related to your work. Thus no pocket knives or folders at all is the way I was lead to believe.Does any of our freinds in G.B. know if this is true? If it is , just how strict are they about it? This would totally SUCK!! I'm afraid I could not live in a place that restrictive. If I did I guess I would be a criminal.
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Knife laws in England
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I was backpacking in England in '96 and carried a buck 110 in my front pocket. While in Glasgow there were police flyers posted everywhere in public about a new tactic to preserve the public safety. Any person in a public place was subject to a pat down search for weapons without probable cause of any sort. Wandering the streets of Glasgow after dark without anything for protection was rather intimidating.
I didn't stay long in that town.
I didn't stay long in that town.
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Tom Holt and some of our British customers and forumites will be around to answer this question first hand. Gun and knife laws in the UK are very tough, indeed, and I hope they are not a preview of what we will face in this country in the future.
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Right, Dave, ban everything, including sticks and stones.
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It's illegal in the UK to have with you in a public place (including the locked trunk of your car) -
(a) any bladed or pointed object (except a folding, non-locking knife with a blade less than three inches) unless you can prove that you need it for work NB you must be on your way to or from a job which requires the use of the knife; a carpenter habitually carrying a knife (or, according to the letter of the law, a chisel, plane, saw etc)in his toolbox in case he needs it is breaking the law and faces 10 years in jail
(b) any article "suitable for or adapted for use as a weapon" (stick, flashlight, sheet of paper etc...)
It's illegal to sell, hire or give away any knife or other bladed/pointed object described as being 'suitable for combat', or designed or made to look as if it's a 'combat' knife (this law is so vaguely phrased that it's meaningless; in other words, it means exactly what the police want it to mean)
There are several other knife laws, but it's so depressing writing about them that I can't be bothered. "Tougher legislation" is, by the way, in preparation at the moment.
Needless to say, none of this **** has had any beneficial effect whatsoever (the number of murders per capita is soaring, and will soon overtake the US at present trends); all it's done is create a mystique, whereby any self-respecting schoolkid who wants to show class in the playground feels obliged to carry a knife... A streetwise kid in London, Manchester, Liverpool or Glasgow would no more dream of going out without a blade as he would of going out without his pants.
It seems like every post I make to this forum consists of Dire Warnings, and I'm sorry if I sound like a scratched record. But I'll say it once more, and then I'll shut up -
DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!
It will, if you don't stand up to the politicians and their media accomplices; as far as I can tell, California is about 25 years behind the UK and following exactly the same course as we did, history repeating itself with depressing predictability.
It's not about guns or knives, or whatever hate object the politicians are latching onto this week; it's not about any one issue, trivial or fundamnetal. It's about freedom and choice and individual responsibility. In the UK, every aspect of our lives is saturated with government interference at every level - what we're allowed to say or own, where we're allowed to go, what we're allowed to do; and the worst part is, 75% of the population have been brainwashed into thinking that this is a good thing. They love Big Brother.
I'm as much of a slave to my government as any field-hand was to his boss in 1850s Alabama; as against the government, I have no rights of free expression, property, privacy or life. They can come into my home at any time without warrant, take my stuff, take away my kids, lock me up for months without trial (the right to jury trial is being abolished for 'certain offences', and indefinite detention without trial for 'persons suspected of being liable to commit certain offences' will soon be on the statute books... Go figure)
I sometimes wonder what's so different about me that I'm not fit to be trusted with any one of the hundreds of freedoms that Americans take for granted. I've never knowingly committed a crime in my life, so it can't be anything I've done, yet I have fewer rights than convicted criminals have in many countries. Odd, that.
Let's forget about this stuff now, and get back to talking about khukuris. For your sake, though, you may care to reflect on it next time you go to vote.
(a) any bladed or pointed object (except a folding, non-locking knife with a blade less than three inches) unless you can prove that you need it for work NB you must be on your way to or from a job which requires the use of the knife; a carpenter habitually carrying a knife (or, according to the letter of the law, a chisel, plane, saw etc)in his toolbox in case he needs it is breaking the law and faces 10 years in jail
(b) any article "suitable for or adapted for use as a weapon" (stick, flashlight, sheet of paper etc...)
It's illegal to sell, hire or give away any knife or other bladed/pointed object described as being 'suitable for combat', or designed or made to look as if it's a 'combat' knife (this law is so vaguely phrased that it's meaningless; in other words, it means exactly what the police want it to mean)
There are several other knife laws, but it's so depressing writing about them that I can't be bothered. "Tougher legislation" is, by the way, in preparation at the moment.
Needless to say, none of this **** has had any beneficial effect whatsoever (the number of murders per capita is soaring, and will soon overtake the US at present trends); all it's done is create a mystique, whereby any self-respecting schoolkid who wants to show class in the playground feels obliged to carry a knife... A streetwise kid in London, Manchester, Liverpool or Glasgow would no more dream of going out without a blade as he would of going out without his pants.
It seems like every post I make to this forum consists of Dire Warnings, and I'm sorry if I sound like a scratched record. But I'll say it once more, and then I'll shut up -
DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!
It will, if you don't stand up to the politicians and their media accomplices; as far as I can tell, California is about 25 years behind the UK and following exactly the same course as we did, history repeating itself with depressing predictability.
It's not about guns or knives, or whatever hate object the politicians are latching onto this week; it's not about any one issue, trivial or fundamnetal. It's about freedom and choice and individual responsibility. In the UK, every aspect of our lives is saturated with government interference at every level - what we're allowed to say or own, where we're allowed to go, what we're allowed to do; and the worst part is, 75% of the population have been brainwashed into thinking that this is a good thing. They love Big Brother.
I'm as much of a slave to my government as any field-hand was to his boss in 1850s Alabama; as against the government, I have no rights of free expression, property, privacy or life. They can come into my home at any time without warrant, take my stuff, take away my kids, lock me up for months without trial (the right to jury trial is being abolished for 'certain offences', and indefinite detention without trial for 'persons suspected of being liable to commit certain offences' will soon be on the statute books... Go figure)
I sometimes wonder what's so different about me that I'm not fit to be trusted with any one of the hundreds of freedoms that Americans take for granted. I've never knowingly committed a crime in my life, so it can't be anything I've done, yet I have fewer rights than convicted criminals have in many countries. Odd, that.
Let's forget about this stuff now, and get back to talking about khukuris. For your sake, though, you may care to reflect on it next time you go to vote.
It's illegal in the UK to have with you in a public place (including the locked trunk of your car) -
(a) any bladed or pointed object (except a folding, non-locking knife with a blade less than three inches) unless you can prove that you need it for work NB you must be on your way to or from a job which requires the use of the knife; a carpenter habitually carrying a knife (or, according to the letter of the law, a chisel, plane, saw etc)in his toolbox in case he needs it is breaking the law and faces 10 years in jail
(b) any article "suitable for or adapted for use as a weapon" (stick, flashlight, sheet of paper etc...)
It's illegal to sell, hire or give away any knife or other bladed/pointed object described as being 'suitable for combat', or designed or made to look as if it's a 'combat' knife (this law is so vaguely phrased that it's meaningless; in other words, it means exactly what the police want it to mean)
There are several other knife laws, but it's so depressing writing about them that I can't be bothered. "Tougher legislation" is, by the way, in preparation at the moment.
Needless to say, none of this **** has had any beneficial effect whatsoever (the number of murders per capita is soaring, and will soon overtake the US at present trends); all it's done is create a mystique, whereby any self-respecting schoolkid who wants to show class in the playground feels obliged to carry a knife... A streetwise kid in London, Manchester, Liverpool or Glasgow would no more dream of going out without a blade as he would of going out without his pants.
It seems like every post I make to this forum consists of Dire Warnings, and I'm sorry if I sound like a scratched record. But I'll say it once more, and then I'll shut up -
DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!
It will, if you don't stand up to the politicians and their media accomplices; as far as I can tell, California is about 25 years behind the UK and following exactly the same course as we did, history repeating itself with depressing predictability.
It's not about guns or knives, or whatever hate object the politicians are latching onto this week; it's not about any one issue, trivial or fundamnetal. It's about freedom and choice and individual responsibility. In the UK, every aspect of our lives is saturated with government interference at every level - what we're allowed to say or own, where we're allowed to go, what we're allowed to do; and the worst part is, 75% of the population have been brainwashed into thinking that this is a good thing. They love Big Brother.
I'm as much of a slave to my government as any field-hand was to his boss in 1850s Alabama; as against the government, I have no rights of free expression, property, privacy or life. They can come into my home at any time without warrant, take my stuff, take away my kids, lock me up for months without trial (the right to jury trial is being abolished for 'certain offences', and indefinite detention without trial for 'persons suspected of being liable to commit certain offences' will soon be on the statute books... Go figure)
I sometimes wonder what's so different about me that I'm not fit to be trusted with any one of the hundreds of freedoms that Americans take for granted. I've never knowingly committed a crime in my life, so it can't be anything I've done, yet I have fewer rights than convicted criminals have in many countries. Odd, that.
Let's forget about this stuff now, and get back to talking about khukuris. For your sake, though, you may care to reflect on it next time you go to vote.
(a) any bladed or pointed object (except a folding, non-locking knife with a blade less than three inches) unless you can prove that you need it for work NB you must be on your way to or from a job which requires the use of the knife; a carpenter habitually carrying a knife (or, according to the letter of the law, a chisel, plane, saw etc)in his toolbox in case he needs it is breaking the law and faces 10 years in jail
(b) any article "suitable for or adapted for use as a weapon" (stick, flashlight, sheet of paper etc...)
It's illegal to sell, hire or give away any knife or other bladed/pointed object described as being 'suitable for combat', or designed or made to look as if it's a 'combat' knife (this law is so vaguely phrased that it's meaningless; in other words, it means exactly what the police want it to mean)
There are several other knife laws, but it's so depressing writing about them that I can't be bothered. "Tougher legislation" is, by the way, in preparation at the moment.
Needless to say, none of this **** has had any beneficial effect whatsoever (the number of murders per capita is soaring, and will soon overtake the US at present trends); all it's done is create a mystique, whereby any self-respecting schoolkid who wants to show class in the playground feels obliged to carry a knife... A streetwise kid in London, Manchester, Liverpool or Glasgow would no more dream of going out without a blade as he would of going out without his pants.
It seems like every post I make to this forum consists of Dire Warnings, and I'm sorry if I sound like a scratched record. But I'll say it once more, and then I'll shut up -
DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU!
It will, if you don't stand up to the politicians and their media accomplices; as far as I can tell, California is about 25 years behind the UK and following exactly the same course as we did, history repeating itself with depressing predictability.
It's not about guns or knives, or whatever hate object the politicians are latching onto this week; it's not about any one issue, trivial or fundamnetal. It's about freedom and choice and individual responsibility. In the UK, every aspect of our lives is saturated with government interference at every level - what we're allowed to say or own, where we're allowed to go, what we're allowed to do; and the worst part is, 75% of the population have been brainwashed into thinking that this is a good thing. They love Big Brother.
I'm as much of a slave to my government as any field-hand was to his boss in 1850s Alabama; as against the government, I have no rights of free expression, property, privacy or life. They can come into my home at any time without warrant, take my stuff, take away my kids, lock me up for months without trial (the right to jury trial is being abolished for 'certain offences', and indefinite detention without trial for 'persons suspected of being liable to commit certain offences' will soon be on the statute books... Go figure)
I sometimes wonder what's so different about me that I'm not fit to be trusted with any one of the hundreds of freedoms that Americans take for granted. I've never knowingly committed a crime in my life, so it can't be anything I've done, yet I have fewer rights than convicted criminals have in many countries. Odd, that.
Let's forget about this stuff now, and get back to talking about khukuris. For your sake, though, you may care to reflect on it next time you go to vote.
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Great Lord! I hope this is not where we are heading.
Boys, Tom has given us fair warning. Don't let it happen to us.
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Boys, Tom has given us fair warning. Don't let it happen to us.
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Tom was right. Additional information about knife laws can be found at:
http://www.met.police.uk/
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/home.htm
TD
http://www.met.police.uk/
http://members.aol.com/knivesuk/home.htm
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Sounds like GB is going back to the stone age, were they will be eating with their fingers and fighting with tree branches and rocks. You would think this was the aftermath of a nuclear war, but the british need no stinking war to create the aftermath. I feel sorry for the averaga citizen who cannot own a gun, cannot carry a knife,etc.
Havent you guys heard, it's a happy new world with no threats anywere, what do we need weapons for.
Havent you guys heard, it's a happy new world with no threats anywere, what do we need weapons for.
Sad to say, there is little doubt in my mind that the United States is headed the way of Great Britain. If you look at what Clinton has already done and at what Al Gore is proposing to do if he gets elected, gun controls are going to get much stricter in the not too distant future. Remember that Gore is the person who proposed mandatory photo IDs for anyone owning a firearm. And once the government identifies every gun-owner, can confiscation be far behind? And sadly, the average American is so brain dead that they don't understand that this is not about guns -- it's about individual freedom. Look at the dismal voting record in this country and you can't help but be depressed.
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We are going to have to resist. Don't give in!
Remember the words of Tom Jefferson!
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Remember the words of Tom Jefferson!
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Did anyone else follow Knives UK's link to the cops' knife page?
Absolute tyranny and hypocrisy combined with laughably shoddy web design.
Can it be any wonder that the Scots, Irish, and Welsh want no part of that "Union"?
-Dave
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Absolute tyranny and hypocrisy combined with laughably shoddy web design.
Can it be any wonder that the Scots, Irish, and Welsh want no part of that "Union"?
-Dave
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If Uncle Bill had the chance to look at his morning paper, this is what he'd have seen on the front page:
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/reno/949207774.html
A search of the web showed True Temper shovels ( long, fiberglass handles, round or square point ) for $15.80 plus shipping.
Figure $20 with shipping on the net, and the same locally with sales tax.
J&G Sales lists in part:
Enfield 2A#1 cal 308, $69.95
Romanian SKS w/blade bayonet, 7.62x39 $169.95
Maadi AK47 w/pistol grip, $298.50
Romanian AK47 w/pistol grip, $348.50
Just thought you might find something interesting in there. Certainly would never want to advocate anything ( Oops - forgot to look at my own profile. Advocate is part of my job title, LOL! )
[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 01-30-2000).]
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/reno/949207774.html
A search of the web showed True Temper shovels ( long, fiberglass handles, round or square point ) for $15.80 plus shipping.
Figure $20 with shipping on the net, and the same locally with sales tax.
J&G Sales lists in part:
Enfield 2A#1 cal 308, $69.95
Romanian SKS w/blade bayonet, 7.62x39 $169.95
Maadi AK47 w/pistol grip, $298.50
Romanian AK47 w/pistol grip, $348.50
Just thought you might find something interesting in there. Certainly would never want to advocate anything ( Oops - forgot to look at my own profile. Advocate is part of my job title, LOL! )
[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 01-30-2000).]
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Thanks Bill:
I'm still researching the cost for good 1" manilla rope per foot.
To repeat myself, our politicians will never legalize marijuana, not for fear of people smoking it, but because hemp makes good rope that can withstand sudden snaps.
Did I mention it's also environmentally friendly comparatively? If we ban the use of lead shot on waterfowl flyways, can we be any less considerate of political beltways?
[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 01-30-2000).]
I'm still researching the cost for good 1" manilla rope per foot.
To repeat myself, our politicians will never legalize marijuana, not for fear of people smoking it, but because hemp makes good rope that can withstand sudden snaps.
Did I mention it's also environmentally friendly comparatively? If we ban the use of lead shot on waterfowl flyways, can we be any less considerate of political beltways?
[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 01-30-2000).]
Re: Uncle Bill's request to post a link to what I was talking about.
Just go to the 2nd of TD's posted links (the one that says "aolknivesUK" or something similar).
Once there, click on Knives UK's main menu where it says "UK Knife Laws" (or something similar).
Once inside the "UK Knife Laws" menu, the first of the links will then take you to the Metropolitan Police's fascist and shoddily constructed little page.
I especially enjoyed the artwork and the "self-defense" tips.
Slainte!
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Just go to the 2nd of TD's posted links (the one that says "aolknivesUK" or something similar).
Once there, click on Knives UK's main menu where it says "UK Knife Laws" (or something similar).
Once inside the "UK Knife Laws" menu, the first of the links will then take you to the Metropolitan Police's fascist and shoddily constructed little page.
I especially enjoyed the artwork and the "self-defense" tips.
Slainte!
-Dave
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Uncle Bill and folks
I think Dave K meant this link:
http://www.met.police.uk/police/mps/mps/youth/you-004.htm
It's the Scotland Yard (i.e. the Metropolitant Police)'s official website. You may likely think that this is a joke, but it's for real. Actually, by laws it's not illegal to own knives; you just can't carry them in public places. The laws themselves are quite vague.
I qoute some of Scotland Yard's interpretation of the UK knife laws, verbatim, here:
- An offensive weapon means any article made or adapted for causing injury, or intended to cause injury.
- That an offensive weapon is any bladed or sharply pointed instrument
- The Prevention of Crime Act 1953 (Section 1(1)) states that:
'Any person who without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, the proof whereof shall lie with him/her, has with him/her in a public place any offensive weapon, shall be guilty of an offence.'
- If you are found guilty of carrying a sharp instrument or blade you are liable to: a fine of up of £1000
- If you are found guilty of making, selling, hiring, lending or giving a sharp instrument or blade you are liable to: imprisonment, a fine of up to £5000, or both
- What Can You Do? (this is their advice to the law abiding people)
Knives and other offensive weapons are a real problem. A lot of people get hurt unnecessarily. What can you do to avoid trouble?
Traveling on public transport : On buses - sit downstairs; On trains - avoid empty carriages.
When walking : Avoid dark passages or alleys; Keep to well lit and busy streets and walk boldly.
Avoid trouble : If you see a gang or someone who may be looking for trouble, cross the street to avoid them; Don't get wound up by insults, don't react or over react; Don't annoy people who have been drinking; Don't look someone in the eye - it may look like a challenge.
If you are being followed : Knock at the nearest door and ask the people there to call the police.
If you are attacked : Shout as loudly as you can. Get away rather than get even; Hand over money or valuables - they can be replaced but scars last a lifetime.
One last word : Why not carry an alarm? ; Why not learn self-defence? It will give you more confidence.
Note : And here is the reality, qouted from a local newspapers (Manchester Metro News, Jan 27, 2000). A terrified 18-year-old student dialed 999 after being mugged whilst walking back to his hall of residence in the early evening. He claims that he told the police he could see his attacker waiting in the street outside. He was shocked when the operator told him how long it would take them to respond. Guess what he was told......"we'll be there in an hour". The police is now investigating his claim. I don't really know how rare this kind of incidents is.........
I think Dave K meant this link:
http://www.met.police.uk/police/mps/mps/youth/you-004.htm
It's the Scotland Yard (i.e. the Metropolitant Police)'s official website. You may likely think that this is a joke, but it's for real. Actually, by laws it's not illegal to own knives; you just can't carry them in public places. The laws themselves are quite vague.
I qoute some of Scotland Yard's interpretation of the UK knife laws, verbatim, here:
- An offensive weapon means any article made or adapted for causing injury, or intended to cause injury.
- That an offensive weapon is any bladed or sharply pointed instrument
- The Prevention of Crime Act 1953 (Section 1(1)) states that:
'Any person who without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, the proof whereof shall lie with him/her, has with him/her in a public place any offensive weapon, shall be guilty of an offence.'
- If you are found guilty of carrying a sharp instrument or blade you are liable to: a fine of up of £1000
- If you are found guilty of making, selling, hiring, lending or giving a sharp instrument or blade you are liable to: imprisonment, a fine of up to £5000, or both
- What Can You Do? (this is their advice to the law abiding people)
Knives and other offensive weapons are a real problem. A lot of people get hurt unnecessarily. What can you do to avoid trouble?
Traveling on public transport : On buses - sit downstairs; On trains - avoid empty carriages.
When walking : Avoid dark passages or alleys; Keep to well lit and busy streets and walk boldly.
Avoid trouble : If you see a gang or someone who may be looking for trouble, cross the street to avoid them; Don't get wound up by insults, don't react or over react; Don't annoy people who have been drinking; Don't look someone in the eye - it may look like a challenge.
If you are being followed : Knock at the nearest door and ask the people there to call the police.
If you are attacked : Shout as loudly as you can. Get away rather than get even; Hand over money or valuables - they can be replaced but scars last a lifetime.
One last word : Why not carry an alarm? ; Why not learn self-defence? It will give you more confidence.
Note : And here is the reality, qouted from a local newspapers (Manchester Metro News, Jan 27, 2000). A terrified 18-year-old student dialed 999 after being mugged whilst walking back to his hall of residence in the early evening. He claims that he told the police he could see his attacker waiting in the street outside. He was shocked when the operator told him how long it would take them to respond. Guess what he was told......"we'll be there in an hour". The police is now investigating his claim. I don't really know how rare this kind of incidents is.........