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Knife on a bus

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Read this article today, thought I'd share. Overreaction? Underreaction? Opinions?


http://www.news-journalonline.com/n...09/tool-causes-knife-scare-on-school-bus.html

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Typical sheep response. At the same time, one has to recognize the ridiculous stupid world we live in where the media spreads nothing but fear. Kids get arrested for plastic picnic knives to spread peanut butter. You gotta learn to keep stuff on the down low. With everyone trying to nerf the world, we're constantly trying to avoid the fear-tards that would see everyone disarmed from everything from guns to fingernail clippers. It actually amazes me sometimes just how much people allow themselves to be programmed.

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i carried a Buck pocket knife to school every day and it was never an issue. id have loved to have had a leatherman LOL
 
i carried a Buck pocket knife to school every day and it was never an issue. id have loved to have had a leatherman LOL

Shoot...when I was in junior high I'd bring bags of BB guns and fireworks to school to take home on the bus with my friend for the weekend. Nowadays, that would land you on national tv.
 
Shoot...when I was in junior high I'd bring bags of BB guns and fireworks to school.....Nowadays, that would land you on national tv.


you would be on tv, as would your parents, your neighbors, and everyone else who ever met the "school bus terrorist"
 
When I read this,I thought it must be an article from the "ONION" because of it's absurdity. Especially the last sentence about charges being filed!

I carried a BSA pocketknife throughout grammar school and unimaginable knives throughout high school and college. Heck, we had a gun club in our H.S. and we

would readily bring their knives to "show&tell". A Leatherman in the hands of a 10 year old! The horror. Very sad such an incident actually occurred. More

psych trauma was done by the bus pulling over, evicting the students, the cops searching the bus and 2 poor 10 year old CHILDREN being prosecuted.
 
The parents should contact Doug Ritter...especially if the DA decides to pursue formal charges (which would be ridiculous).
 
The parents should contact Doug Ritter...especially if the DA decides to pursue formal charges (which would be ridiculous).

I don't think they will see "knife rights" extended to a 10 year old at school.
 
a sharpened #2 pencil can be used to harm others....maybe they should take pencils away from children away as well.
i know, kinda off topic, but when will this craziness end?
 
Hey guys, here's some insight. I work as a Safe School Liason (campus security) for an inner city high school. Last week I dealt with an incident where a grade 8 kid pulled a hunting knife on another grade 8. That grade 8 turned around and pulled a can of mace and ended up spraying both the kid with the knife and himself. Later that weekend the same kid was stopped by police or carrying a black spray-painted BBgun around town. Neighbors called cops and the kid was taken down at gunpoint. I spoke with an officer later and was told that the kid nearly got shot because he froze up and didn't drop the bb gun when told to.


Sheeple reactions? Tell me, when you guys went to school did you live in a post-columbine world? Probably not, so you didn't think anything of carrying a pocket knife and a bb gun to school. In the 3 years I've worked this school I have confiscated 5 knives ranging from slip joint folders to blacked out Rambo knives, 3 cans of mace, a pellet gun (used in a robbery) and countless baggies of marijuana, ecstasy, oxycontins etc. it's a sad state of affairs when we have to worry about that kind of stuff, but the fact is it exists. 10 minute delay getting to school to deal with a possible weapon? Yeah that sounds reasonable to me, completely so. Schools ave rules against knives and weapons for a reason, I can't begin to tell you the horror stories I've heard about kids pulling weapons that they never intended to be weapons (ie pocket knives, SAKs etc) and getting messed up badly because of it. This isn't a sheeple reaction, it's proper school safety procedures. No different than the TSA asking you to leave your water bottle on te ground before getting on a plane. Sounds silly right? But there's a legit reason things are handled that way in a post-911 or post Columbine, Virginia Tech, Ecole Polytechnique etc world.
 
Typical hoplophobic nonsense.

I'm glad I went to a fairly small school that had at least some common sense left. I carried a knife everyday of high school. I even had a couple teachers that would ask to borrow it on occasion.
 
I don't think they will see "knife rights" extended to a 10 year old at school.

Perhaps not, but I am certain that Mr. Ritter has some valuble insight for their parents though. If I were in their position, I would want to be as informed as possible.
 
Hey guys, here's some insight. I work as a Safe School Liason (campus security) for an inner city high school. Last week I dealt with an incident where a grade 8 kid pulled a hunting knife on another grade 8. That grade 8 turned around and pulled a can of mace and ended up spraying both the kid with the knife and himself. Later that weekend the same kid was stopped by police or carrying a black spray-painted BBgun around town. Neighbors called cops and the kid was taken down at gunpoint. I spoke with an officer later and was told that the kid nearly got shot because he froze up and didn't drop the bb gun when told to.


Sheeple reactions? Tell me, when you guys went to school did you live in a post-columbine world? Probably not, so you didn't think anything of carrying a pocket knife and a bb gun to school. In the 3 years I've worked this school I have confiscated 5 knives ranging from slip joint folders to blacked out Rambo knives, 3 cans of mace, a pellet gun (used in a robbery) and countless baggies of marijuana, ecstasy, oxycontins etc. it's a sad state of affairs when we have to worry about that kind of stuff, but the fact is it exists. 10 minute delay getting to school to deal with a possible weapon? Yeah that sounds reasonable to me, completely so. Schools ave rules against knives and weapons for a reason, I can't begin to tell you the horror stories I've heard about kids pulling weapons that they never intended to be weapons (ie pocket knives, SAKs etc) and getting messed up badly because of it. This isn't a sheeple reaction, it's proper school safety procedures. No different than the TSA asking you to leave your water bottle on te ground before getting on a plane. Sounds silly right? But there's a legit reason things are handled that way in a post-911 or post Columbine, Virginia Tech, Ecole Polytechnique etc world.

I agree that schools (as well as bus transportation companies) have strict written policies in terms of weapons (and what constitutes weapons) and those policies need to be enforced. If the child willfully disregarded those policies, there should be an appropriate punishment (ie: suspension, revocation of transportation priveleges, etc), but I absolutely do not agree with prosecution. These are 10 year old children who need to be reminded that rules are there for a reason. To put them into the judicial system on any level for this offense is beyond ridiculous. Just my .02
 
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I've never seen formal charges laid against a student unless twy were involved in a serious incident. We would never have a student charged for a first time incident like this, however there would most likely be a VTRA (Violent Threat and Risk Assessment) done to make sure it was just a one time thing and that theres no history or precursors to violence or threat making.
 
I've never seen formal charges laid against a student unless twy were involved in a serious incident. We would never have a student charged for a first time incident like this, however there would most likely be a VTRA (Violent Threat and Risk Assessment) done to make sure it was just a one time thing and that theres no history or precursors to violence or threat making.

I can see the value of this. We don't know why the child brought the leatherman...
 
Funnily enough we dont really have the same kinda mentality here, I guess cos everything is illegal here but still. Kids dont brings crap like that to school and the most that ever happens is some ego meth head gets into a fight.
 
Haze240 you make some decent points but also the solutions you speak of are out of balance for the problem at hand in most schools. Being your in the intercity maybe not but in most of America it is not the best solution to have a zero tolerance policy.

I've been a Police Officer for 10 years and a DARE Officer for 4 years. I spend a lot of time in the schools in my community. I think zero tolerance is as convoluted as not bringing a water bottle on a plane. As a police officer I get to know the people who are in the community I know who is a problem and who are fine upstanding citizens. The people I know who are felons and drug dealers get stopped and checked whenever there suspicious and mom and pop don't. Same way at a school teachers know who the trouble makers are who the bookworms are who the farmers are etc... It's reasonable to not allow a child who has been involved in violence in the past not bring knives or other weapons to school because there is a past history that they may use them for evil. Taking knives away from everyone is not the correct solution to the problem. The same way the TSA should be using he Israel model of airline security and profile for a terrorist and focus your efforts on someone that may actually do the deed instead of groping grandma and striping a 4 year old to make sure they don't bring more than 4 ounces of a liquid on board. You should focus time, efforts, resources and law making for control of the problem not harassment of the average citizen.

I know my opinions may upset some well too bad. The course of thinking that this country is headed on will see all of our rights taken away for "our protection". At school kids that have a legitimate purpose and are not going to use an item for evil should be able to have it. In adult life same thing if your not a felon and aren't violent you should be able to have whatever you want wherever you want. Also we are living in a post Columbine world and the zero tolerance policies have done little to stop school shootings. Since Colimbine there have been numerous school shootings. Little can be done on an enforcement side to stop someone that is set to do harm. The best solution to be able to stop someone that has come to do harm is get rid of policies that stop the carrying of weapons at school if teachers could carry they would stop the threat before the actor could kill very many people. I've rambled on too long here and I'm sorry for that. Carry on.
 
This thread is pretty far afield of Becker related material. We have a Political forum for all things political and there are other, better forums for discussing knife rights.
I do appreciate folks keeping this one civil, but I'm still going to close it. Nothing personal. We just have other subforums better suited for these conversations.

Political: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/685-BladeForums-com-Political-Arena
Knife Laws: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/735-Knife-Laws
 
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