Knife passaround for Premium, Gold, Dealer and Knifemaker members, you thoughts

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pahl

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I'm thinking about doing a passaround with a Sypderco Ayoob plain edge knife.

I'm thinking of making it available to Premium, Gold, Dealer or Knifemaker BF members only.

I know there are alot of great basic members out there and I hope they do not take this the wrong way.

What I'm hoping would happen in doing knife passarounds this way is,

1. Get some basic members to become Premium or Gold members

2. I would hope this would also keep the trolls out of the passarounds.

3. Maybe others would be willing to do passarounds if it was limited to paying BF members?

Just some of my thoughts.


Befor doing anything with this idea I would like to know what you think about it.
 
Hmm, one wrinkle I can think of is that premium, gold, and etc. members might already have a representative sample of most passarounds.

I almost wonder if it should be limited to those with basic memberships only. hmm.

> trolls out of passarounds

What is a troll in reference to passaround activity?

> others do passarounds?

Yeah, what's up with that, are all you just a bunch of Greedy Bastids? :p

You know what I think is holding people back? Well it held me back anyway, bottom line is there is a risk of not getting your knife back. That can be kinda scary.

What I did is say, OK, this is not "my" knife anymore, I'm going to donate it to the cause. Then it's easier. Honestly I was maybe a little skeptical myself that people would pass it on and just not keep it.

Now some might take a little longer to get it passed to the next person. myself included, :footinmou. But I've done a passaround sebenza, Spy. centofante, and the Salsa and Lum which is still going on. So far no major problems.
 
A Bastid is a lot of things, but they are not greedy. :rolleyes:
 
Just out of curiousity, have there been any problems with people in the passarounds that have happened so far? Anyone swipe a knife or do anything else underhanded?
 
The problems I've encountered so far have been:

- People forget to pass it to the next person. (remedied by keeping track of who has it)

- Addresses get scrambled (my fault for not putting on one sheet)

- People forgot they won't be where they are now 2-3 months down the line.

- Don't bother posting a review. That's disapointing, since that was kinda the whole point.
 
So far I haven't had any major problems with my 942 pass-around, although DaveH was a litttttle slow :cool:
Seriously so far its worked out pretty good.
 
FWIW, I have an apointment this Friday with an attourney to dicuss liability issues, I'll report back what they say.
 
As far as the trustworthiness needed for a passaround, I don't think you need to look at paying members, rather consider members with a certain number of posts, say 500, or 1000 or more, if you are that worried.

On the other hand, I think it would be good to encourage more people to register, and support this forum with some cash. I myself have recently tried to register as gold, but my CC was declined:( I know, it's not an excuse...but I have bought knives from 1SKS in the past:D

I plan on doing a pass-around sometime soon, when I can decide which knife I'd be able to live without. That's hard to find, in my collection.:D

DD
 
Well, you can count me in for the passaround of the spydie ayoob. This knife has intrigued me and I would welcome an opportunity to try it before I buy it. I am unfamiliar however with how the passaround works. If you are going to do this, please email me with details.
Thanks,
Mongo
 
DaveH,
I'm interested in hearing what your attourney has to say about the passarounds.

You guys have given me more to think about, thanks.
 
As for me, I liked the two passarounds I was involved in. Two knives I would never even have thought about if not for the passaround. However, I am a college kid and at times money is tight. When I might have a few extra bucks around I don't spend it on a Gold Membership because those few extra bucks might be needed down the line for some other essential things. At least with the knives I buy I could always sell them for some cash if push comes to shove. So, as much as I adore the passarounds and everyone who has given to the effort, I would not buy a Gold membership to participate in them. The way I see it, if it is a trust thing, if you do not trust the general community you are involved with and your involvement is voluntary, why would you continue to choose to be involved? If you have no problems with the people who may sign up for a passaround, why the limitations? I guess I just don't get it.
 
The only thing I've got to add is that it looks like it works alot better with a 3 day period instead of a week. People have been getting it a lot faster and it keeps the interest up.
 
OK I'm back from the attorney and $50 lighter in pocket.

First there are a few steps involved when getting sued for liability: duty, breach of duty, forseable circumstances, damages.

Obviously we would not attempt to knowingly put a defective knife on passaround or misrepresent it in someway that made it dangerous.

Nor is it really forseable that someone that we don't know and have never meant might use a knife in a dangerous or damaging manner.

Ok, so far so good. There is one issue though that could be a concern and that is if a minor gets ahold of a passaround and does something. Now putting a rule on a passaround that person is of proper age is good. But they suggested a photocopy of a drivers license be sent to the passaround "manager" before they get put on the list. Further, that the knife should be sent to a real address, not a PO Box or similar.

I'm of two feelings on this, I would like to trust that someone wouldn't sue me, but you never know.

The other thing is that how comfortable would people be to send a photocopy of a drivers license to someone they hardly know? That's a whole new can-0-worms.

Maybe instead you include a phone number to either speak with a participant in question to determine they not too young, or to use as a check that a phone and a name matches, that is a minor wouldn't have the phone in their name.

So that's where I'm at now.

Thoughts?
 
I like giving a phone number. There are a couple of reasons why. First of all it'll help in verifying age plus it'll provide a resource for checking up on a knife that doesn't make it to the next person.
 
Has there been any problems with the current pass arounds? I haven't seen any complaints, other than missed ship deadlines, and no reviews.

Common sense dictates that the participants are aware of the potential hazards of the knife in question, and since the participants have willingly participated in the pass around, they have assumed the liability associated with such. Remember, folks; common sense is required in everyday life, and if you are lacking in that department, you don't need to participate in the pass around.

DaveH, you wasted $50 bucks on an attorney, which could have been used to buy yourself a Gold membership here.

Instead of asking for copies of drivers licenses, you can always send the knife restricted delivery, with adult signature required.

I think if you do that, you have the bases covered.
 
My wife had a good idea, have a participant copy their drivers license but ink out everything except the picture and the date of birth, that way no drivers license # or no soc. number can be seen.

Also restricted delivery is an excellent idea.

CODE 3, you say I made a poor decision about how I spent that money? Thanks, that's helpful. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by DaveH
My wife had a good idea, have a participant copy their drivers license but ink out everything except the picture and the date of birth, that way no drivers license # or no soc. number can be seen.

Also restricted delivery is an excellent idea.

CODE 3, you say I made a poor decision about how I spent that money? Thanks, that's helpful. :rolleyes:
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Dave

Save the hassle, and require the adult signature. The carrier's require I.D. be shown if they doubt a person's age, just like when minors, or those who look like minors, get carded for booze.

As for the attorney, I did not say you made a poor decision, I said you wasted $50, which could have been spent getting a gold membership.
Why would you spend the money in the first place on such a thing? If liability is such an issue, don't participate!

Dave, I understand your concern, but if the knife in question is actually owned by you, and was initially sent out in good, safe condition, you have nothing to worry about.

The people involved in this pass around need to be responsible adults, and for the most part, thats the general membership here.
Be responsible for your own actions, and don't blame someone else if you get hurt because you were doing something stupid with the pass around knife, and if you broke it, be responsible enough to tell the owner, so it can be dealt with.

Responsibility is an adult requirement, and if someone isn't willing to be responsible, they don't need to participate.

Just an opinion from a responsible 40 year old..........
 
DaveH,
Forget about the email I sent you asking what you attorney thought about the passarounds.

I did not see your reply to this thread till after I emailed you, sorry.

Some very interesting thoughts.

What changes if any are you going to make in your passarounds?

Thanks for update.
 
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