Knife Photography

joeradza

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This could be posted in almost any thread on Bladeforums but since my main interest is in what we euphemistically call traditional knives it’s here on The Porch. There is an excellent article on knife photography in the November 2022 issue of Knife Magazine.
I use a different setup, but as always there is more than one way to skin a cat. My background in these three photos is the same but the manner in which I judged the exposure is the difference. I’m satisfied with the outcome of the three photos because they were not shot for a client. The angle of the knives is discussed in the article. You judge what you prefer. There are so many excellent photographers posting here that I am constantly learning by comparing and experimenting. Like anything, experience is a great teacher.EEB02763-793A-4504-8351-2C95152DAFDD.jpegFAC5943B-9F7E-4C0E-B1C7-560BB38520A4.jpeg2B750AF3-F8A7-4DC7-A301-F848D961AD8D.jpeg
 
Thank you; I am looking forward to this thread. I have not learned to photograph knives well, if at all. I use a scanner and the results are really bad. I guess I haven't learned that either. I think that there is an ancient thread on BF on photography; maybe that will pop up here as well by someone.
 
I think your photos are looking great!

One really simple and cheap tool/trick I think you could get a lot of mileage out of is a light bounce/reflector. You can get them cheap or even often make due just with a sheet of white paperboard. The main idea is just to bounce a bit of light back into your shadow areas so you don't lose details or visual cues that relate form to the eye.


For example, in this photo you can see the cast shadow is on the viewer's side of the objects. Naturally that side of the subject was somewhat lost in shadow, but I used a bounce reflector to reflect a bit of light back into those areas.

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Another way to utilize a bounce is in conjunction with the shiny parts of your subject. In this photo the bright metal parts were initially rather dark and kind of hidden away into the rest of the picture because they were reflecting the dark area above me where I was taking the picture. So I held my bounce reflector almost directly above the knife so the reflections in the metal would be reflecting my shiny reflector instead of the darkness that was actually above the knife. So basically I used it kind of like a very soft spot-light without making the photo look like there is a light shining on it.

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I know this is lame, but I just use a sun whenever it is present, and that's exactly why I haven't been posting pics recently, because where I live autumn is an all-cloud no-sun season. Yeah, I know, I could use some light, maybe a simple flashlight ot something, but I haven't realized that until now.

Old pics with natural light only:

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You can get them cheap or even often make due just with a sheet of white paperboard.
Brilliant! I should try that for sure!

Great thread!
 
Great pics from everyone! Getting the light/knife at just the right angle is definitely a struggle, I like to use lamps that I can move around the subject and use small bits of museum putty on the back of the knife to adjust the angle there.

A big sheet of white foamboard works as a nice reflector. Light and rigid, not as reflective as something made for purpose but not bad at all. Black foamboard works as a decent background too, although a nice big piece of black felt is on my list of stuff to buy.

These two pics are using the same lamp, but one included the foamboard. There's something to be said for the detail you get from strong directional lighting, but I definitely think the more diffuse light makes for a more pleasant photo.

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My preference when available is an overcast day with no wind. In my part of the country that doesn't happen often, but when it does it provides very nice conditions for photos. I usually have objects that can easily move in a breeze (leaves, grass, flowers, moss, etc.) and can get a blur if using a longer exposure. I try to keep blades and bolsters reflecting the overcast sky, and not me or the camera standing overhead. I also use a tripod so I can set a timer and get away from the camera to minimize me casting a shadow or bad reflection.
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When inside, I modified a closet into a makeshift photobooth area. I have lights on the top, left, and right sides with white sheets hanging in front of the lights to help diffuse the light. I have a white cardboard back wall, and then I have roughcut boards for an interesting bottom to rest the knives on. I think it turns out pretty well.
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I think your photos are looking great!

One really simple and cheap tool/trick I think you could get a lot of mileage out of is a light bounce/reflector. You can get them cheap or even often make due just with a sheet of white paperboard. The main idea is just to bounce a bit of light back into your shadow areas so you don't lose details or visual cues that relate form to the eye.


For example, in this photo you can see the cast shadow is on the viewer's side of the objects. Naturally that side of the subject was somewhat lost in shadow, but I used a bounce reflector to reflect a bit of light back into those areas.

TDMVE4N.jpg


Another way to utilize a bounce is in conjunction with the shiny parts of your subject. In this photo the bright metal parts were initially rather dark and kind of hidden away into the rest of the picture because they were reflecting the dark area above me where I was taking the picture. So I held my bounce reflector almost directly above the knife so the reflections in the metal would be reflecting my shiny reflector instead of the darkness that was actually above the knife. So basically I used it kind of like a very soft spot-light without making the photo look like there is a light shining on it.

CV9HTGE.jpg
That purple thing a sharpening stone? I want to know more.
 
That purple thing a sharpening stone? I want to know more.
Yeah it's a jasper stone, made as a viking replica I believe. The lanyard hole actually came with a long cord so you could wear it as a pendant but I just pocket carry it. Super hard and super fine, great for polishing or final touch ups throughout the day.
 
It's all about the light. Am too lazy to use a tripod and multilight setups so I shoot outside on sunny days in the shade. My five dollar lightbox thread in the knife photography section seems to be MIA so here's a couple of old shots. Nothing but a cardboard box with holes cut in the sides / top to let it light. Old white shear material over the holes to difuse the light. Sitting on my hottub on a sunny day. Positioned so you can see the direct sun on the right and the darker shade on the left.

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Next up is a shot of my finger extended on the left side of the box. Note no shadow visible. Soft, low contrast.

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Next is a shot of my index finger in the direct sun portion. Note the harsh shadow, too hard, too much contrast.

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Goldilocks shot, just right. Close to but not in direct sunlight. You can see some shadow, not too much contrast, bright, yet indirect difused light.

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If you learn how to set your white balance using a grey reference card light a whi-bal, your colors will be more accurate than 98% of other photographers.

Our brains and eyes are amazing. No matter the color of light, our brain automatically interprets the colors correctly based on how we have seen these objects in the past. Our eyes only see the width of a thumbnail held at arm’s length in high definition … our brain fills in the rest! Amazing!

Your camera is not amazing. Even a new expensive top of the line DSLR can only guess at the color of light based on the color of objects in the frame. It guesses wrong 99 times out of 100. The largest improvement you can make in your photography is to start by making the colors accurate in your .jpgs. If you want to add pop, that’s fine, but learn how to obtain accurate color first.

The smallest point of light in a digital format is called a pixel. Each pixel is represented by three numbers in sequence. The value of these three numbers ranges from 0 to 255. The first number is the amount of Red. The second number is the amount of Green and the third and last number is the amount of Blue. The larger the number the brighter the color. 255,0,0 would be the brightest Red possible, 0,255,0 would be the brightest Green possible, and 0,0,255 would be the brightest Blue possible. 0,0,0 is black as possible. 255,255,255 is as white and bright as possible. RGB sound familiar? With only three number millions of color possibilities exist 255X255X255.

The color of light is referred to as “white balance”. White balance has two settings, the first is between the blue and yellow (red and green make yellow) amounts. Often this is referred to as temperature and displayed in degrees. More yellow is “warmer” and more blue is “cooler”. The second setting is referred to as “Tint”, or the ratio between red and green. When converting RAWs / NEFs to jpgs, if you have these set correctly, your colors are 99% accurate. Conversion software contains a white balance tool. By clicking this tool on a known grey reference, it automatically and accurately sets your colors with one click! Put the WhiBal card somewhere in your picture and use it to determine the correct white balance setting for your situation. Crop it out or remove it for subsequent photos in the same lighting. When lighting changes, use the WhiBal again. Skin tones usually look better slightly more warmer than 100% accurate, slightly tan. Too much green in your skin tones makes people look sick, too much red skin tones look sunburned.

Here's how to get color better than the masses. I have purchased expensive white balance tools, hundreds of dollars worth, and none really work better than a cheap plastic whi-bal. First is as shot in RAW, my expensive full frame DSLR guessing at the white balance. Note the R G and B values below the box on the upper right and the Temperature and Tint values. 161 184 209. These are the values of a pixel on the whi-bal card. The last number is blue, much higher than the red and green numbers. Temp 6259 Tint +6. You might not notice it at first, but this guess by 3K worth of Canon gear is too blue. The card is perfect gray, certified neutral.

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Photo after clicking the white balance tool (shaded) on the WhiBal card once. The card is a certified reference to be neutral gray. The conversion software resets the Temperature and Tint values making the white balance accurate. Note the R G and B values again, all exactly the same number, 188,188,188 neutral gray. If the card isn't gray on your device, it's because your device isn't correct. I have a device / software to calibrate my monitor / printer / ink / paper but it's really not necessary for good knife pics. Internet browsers are not color space aware. Apple has it's own propriatary color space,so we won't cover color spaces except if given an option use Srgb (think of S as Standard) or "Save for the Web" if given the option. That will adjust the colors to look as good as possible for web viewing. JPG files have adjustable compression. The harder you compress them, the more information is lost, and they become smaller in filesize in bytes. When you use a free web hosting service, they compress your photos to the max, degrading the quality, and you probably give up the copyright in the fine print. That's why I use my own website instead, total control. In my tutorial, the WhiBal card is positioned behind the fruit knife but put it on the edge of the frame if you wish to crop it out.

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So here is the crop. The rule of thirds is built into your DNA, ask google. When a photo is drawn into 9 boxes, like tic tac toe, where the lines intersect naturally draw your attention. Try to put items of interest (knife edge, shield) on those intersections and their lines.

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Final product after cropping / resizing. No filters on my shots. Upside down words screw with my OCD, so I avoid them at all costs. I did not use the lightbox to difuse the light, just set it on a piece of old cedar in the shade on a sunny day. Thus you can see the reflections of my oak trees in the bolsters. Straight lines are boring,use angles to catch attention. Avoid solid white or solid black backgrounds until you can learn how to properly override the exposure so your subject is exposed correctly. White backgrounds cause your cameras auto exposure to darken to try and fit them in the photo. Black backgrounds cause overexposure, too bright. Difficult for the novice, easier to use a medium brightness background, your auto exposure will be much closer to correct. Solid backgrounds tend to show lint / specs.

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The above photo isn't perfect, you can see the shadow from my lens on the bottom edge of the shield. Most DSLR lens reach maximum sharpness around F8 - F11. That F-stop will give you enough depth of field (the amount in focus) for most knife pics. If you set your ISO too high you are overdriving the amplifiers in your camera. Like overdriving a stereo you get distortion ... except instead of hearing it you see it with degraded photos full of artifacts. Have played with photo editing programs since Aldus Photostyler 1.1a (precursor of Adobe Photoshop) 30+ years ago, done professional photography work for a few years but am retired. Haven't updated my website in a few years but there's some decent airshow, car, and vacation photos visible to the public. Practice with different settings, angles, light, blah blah blah. When you see a photo you like think about how the photog accomplished it. Try it reproduce the effect yourself. Have fun, happy shooting!
 
All of you folks are amazing! I wish I had the time and patience to do what you all do! 🎩 off to you all‼️ In the meantime I’ll just work on using my phone camera to take pics. When I first joined the Forum it took me almost a year to just figure out how to post pics. Being a Luddite didn’t help. 😊
 
I’ve been taking landscape and wildlife photos for many years, and have taken some photos that have been published or won awards. I recently started taking photos of my knives, and I find that knife photography is totally different than other types.

While lighting is the key to all photography, knives present challenges. Blade and bolster reflection is an issue. And blades also bring out more dynamic range than a typical photo. I’m just starting to use diffused lighting from various directions along with white cards to soften the brightness of the steel, and to prevent reflected objects from being in the photo.

I just joined this forum a month ago, and I’m amazed at the quality of knife photos that you folks take. I’ve got a long ways to go to get to the level of knife photos posted here.
 
I have plenty of sunlight, which helps, but when indoors I generally bounce the flash of a wall or the ceiling, to compensate for any shadows and use a powerful light to light the room up.
I have also tried simple lightboxes (A4 paper taped together to form a box) and have a white light bounce umbrella that I could use, though most times I just use the methods described in my first sentence.
 
To give an example of Chief's harsh and mild lighting I have two photos, taken minutes apart, of the same knife in both sunny and shady lighting. Not only are they miles apart in their "harshness," but the colors are dramatically different.

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Which one do you like the best?
 
I’m no photographer, and my only camera is my iPhone, so for me it’s a lot of trial and error and a fair amount of luck. I used to do knife photos mostly outside in the shade or on overcast days, but the result could be hit or miss. We also have a lot of trees around the house, which can be troublesome when it comes to blade/bolster reflections, and can also affect the color/temperature of the light depending on the season (green leaves, fall colors, etc.). I’ll make some small adjustments using iPhone’s editing capabilities (contrast, temperature, etc.), but I try not to overdo it.

Here’s an example of the same photo taken in the same place at around the same time of day on two consecutive days. (Neither of these turned out very good, but I think it’s a good example of how natural light can be tricky to work with.)

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More recently I’ve started taking photos in one particular bedroom in our house that gets a good amount of sunlight through a south facing window. That light reflects off of a ledge beneath the window and onto the ceiling, which provides a nice indirect/diffused light for taking knife photos in the center of the room. These were all taken inside using the natural light in that room.

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I think the background helps, as well. Something with texture or depth is good (I’m sure you can tell that I use the the crate seen in the photos above a lot). I also like the dull metal of this charcoal chimney starter.

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Another background with lots of texture. (Light was a little too reflective on the bolster and shield, but still a decent photo I think.)

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Props can be good, too (as you could tell from just about several websites selling knives and popular EDC/knife folks on Instagram), but I’m usually too lazy, and often don’t think mine turn out as good as those who know what they’re doing. Sometimes I get lucky, though. I liked this one.

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And, of course, sometimes it’s good to just not worry about it too much and have fun, maybe try something new. :)

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Lots of great information and advice being given here!
joeradza joeradza - thank you for starting this thread!
Chief Chief - terrific explanation of color values, white balance, and use of the most pragmatic tools!
Clearly there is some excellent photography expertise on tap amongst knife aficionados … !
I started shooting back in the days of film, so that’s where my foundations lie … an “open shade” scenario is what I learned to use as a starting point for proper exposure, range, and color rendition … that’s a clue as to what you can leverage for consistent pleasing results.
I think a fairly good foundation for lighting, exposure, and composition has already been provided here so I will just offer a few tips …
Practice and experiment, and when you get results that you like, strive to understand why.
Consistency is key, so try to eliminate the variables that you can (like using a makeshift lightbox, neutral gray card, tripod, remote shutter release or timer, etc).
If it all seems too overwhelming at first, start simple, and when you start to get consistent pleasing results expand from there.
There is an abundance of information available to us, and the immediate feedback provided by digital photography is a huge benefit - use it!
Again, thanks to all for contributing here - you’re re-energizing my love for photography!
 
It's all about the light. Am too lazy to use a tripod and multilight setups so I shoot outside on sunny days in the shade. My five dollar lightbox thread in the knife photography section seems to be MIA so here's a couple of old shots. Nothing but a cardboard box with holes cut in the sides / top to let it light. Old white shear material over the holes to difuse the light. Sitting on my hottub on a sunny day. Positioned so you can see the direct sun on the right and the darker shade on the left.

fivedollarlightbox3.jpg


Next up is a shot of my finger extended on the left side of the box. Note no shadow visible. Soft, low contrast.

fivedollarlightbox4.jpg


Next is a shot of my index finger in the direct sun portion. Note the harsh shadow, too hard, too much contrast.

fivedollarlightbox5.jpg


Goldilocks shot, just right. Close to but not in direct sunlight. You can see some shadow, not too much contrast, bright, yet indirect difused light.

fivedollarlightbox6.jpg


If you learn how to set your white balance using a grey reference card light a whi-bal, your colors will be more accurate than 98% of other photographers.

Our brains and eyes are amazing. No matter the color of light, our brain automatically interprets the colors correctly based on how we have seen these objects in the past. Our eyes only see the width of a thumbnail held at arm’s length in high definition … our brain fills in the rest! Amazing!

Your camera is not amazing. Even a new expensive top of the line DSLR can only guess at the color of light based on the color of objects in the frame. It guesses wrong 99 times out of 100. The largest improvement you can make in your photography is to start by making the colors accurate in your .jpgs. If you want to add pop, that’s fine, but learn how to obtain accurate color first.

The smallest point of light in a digital format is called a pixel. Each pixel is represented by three numbers in sequence. The value of these three numbers ranges from 0 to 255. The first number is the amount of Red. The second number is the amount of Green and the third and last number is the amount of Blue. The larger the number the brighter the color. 255,0,0 would be the brightest Red possible, 0,255,0 would be the brightest Green possible, and 0,0,255 would be the brightest Blue possible. 0,0,0 is black as possible. 255,255,255 is as white and bright as possible. RGB sound familiar? With only three number millions of color possibilities exist 255X255X255.

The color of light is referred to as “white balance”. White balance has two settings, the first is between the blue and yellow (red and green make yellow) amounts. Often this is referred to as temperature and displayed in degrees. More yellow is “warmer” and more blue is “cooler”. The second setting is referred to as “Tint”, or the ratio between red and green. When converting RAWs / NEFs to jpgs, if you have these set correctly, your colors are 99% accurate. Conversion software contains a white balance tool. By clicking this tool on a known grey reference, it automatically and accurately sets your colors with one click! Put the WhiBal card somewhere in your picture and use it to determine the correct white balance setting for your situation. Crop it out or remove it for subsequent photos in the same lighting. When lighting changes, use the WhiBal again. Skin tones usually look better slightly more warmer than 100% accurate, slightly tan. Too much green in your skin tones makes people look sick, too much red skin tones look sunburned.

Here's how to get color better than the masses. I have purchased expensive white balance tools, hundreds of dollars worth, and none really work better than a cheap plastic whi-bal. First is as shot in RAW, my expensive full frame DSLR guessing at the white balance. Note the R G and B values below the box on the upper right and the Temperature and Tint values. 161 184 209. These are the values of a pixel on the whi-bal card. The last number is blue, much higher than the red and green numbers. Temp 6259 Tint +6. You might not notice it at first, but this guess by 3K worth of Canon gear is too blue. The card is perfect gray, certified neutral.

whibal-1.jpg


Photo after clicking the white balance tool (shaded) on the WhiBal card once. The card is a certified reference to be neutral gray. The conversion software resets the Temperature and Tint values making the white balance accurate. Note the R G and B values again, all exactly the same number, 188,188,188 neutral gray. If the card isn't gray on your device, it's because your device isn't correct. I have a device / software to calibrate my monitor / printer / ink / paper but it's really not necessary for good knife pics. Internet browsers are not color space aware. Apple has it's own propriatary color space,so we won't cover color spaces except if given an option use Srgb (think of S as Standard) or "Save for the Web" if given the option. That will adjust the colors to look as good as possible for web viewing. JPG files have adjustable compression. The harder you compress them, the more information is lost, and they become smaller in filesize in bytes. When you use a free web hosting service, they compress your photos to the max, degrading the quality, and you probably give up the copyright in the fine print. That's why I use my own website instead, total control. In my tutorial, the WhiBal card is positioned behind the fruit knife but put it on the edge of the frame if you wish to crop it out.

whibal-2.jpg


So here is the crop. The rule of thirds is built into your DNA, ask google. When a photo is drawn into 9 boxes, like tic tac toe, where the lines intersect naturally draw your attention. Try to put items of interest (knife edge, shield) on those intersections and their lines.

whibal-4.jpg


Final product after cropping / resizing. No filters on my shots. Upside down words screw with my OCD, so I avoid them at all costs. I did not use the lightbox to difuse the light, just set it on a piece of old cedar in the shade on a sunny day. Thus you can see the reflections of my oak trees in the bolsters. Straight lines are boring,use angles to catch attention. Avoid solid white or solid black backgrounds until you can learn how to properly override the exposure so your subject is exposed correctly. White backgrounds cause your cameras auto exposure to darken to try and fit them in the photo. Black backgrounds cause overexposure, too bright. Difficult for the novice, easier to use a medium brightness background, your auto exposure will be much closer to correct. Solid backgrounds tend to show lint / specs.

whibal-5.jpg


The above photo isn't perfect, you can see the shadow from my lens on the bottom edge of the shield. Most DSLR lens reach maximum sharpness around F8 - F11. That F-stop will give you enough depth of field (the amount in focus) for most knife pics. If you set your ISO too high you are overdriving the amplifiers in your camera. Like overdriving a stereo you get distortion ... except instead of hearing it you see it with degraded photos full of artifacts. Have played with photo editing programs since Aldus Photostyler 1.1a (precursor of Adobe Photoshop) 30+ years ago, done professional photography work for a few years but am retired. Haven't updated my website in a few years but there's some decent airshow, car, and vacation photos visible to the public. Practice with different settings, angles, light, blah blah blah. When you see a photo you like think about how the photog accomplished it. Try it reproduce the effect yourself. Have fun, happy shooting!
I just can‘t get over how lovely the scales are on this knife. Amazing.
 
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