Knife Review: M21-04 and M16-14M

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To save your time, I will try to avoid repeating the information that is publicly available (measurements etc.). Please note that my discussion below is about both models since they are similar in many respects. But there is a small portion in which I discuss them as distinctly separate models.

(1) Purchasing decision:
I have been wanting to buy a "good" sized folder since last camping trip during which, at one time, I was holding a feeble blade (part of a multiple tool) while listening some disturbances outside the tent in pitch-black darkness. I wowed to myself to get a decent folder afterwards. The reason I started out with CRKT's M21-04 (and M16-14M few weeks after) is that I wanted a thicker blade for its strength. Despite the importance of blade steel, I still believe that mass does count and may count more than the steel type. I compared several potential candidates in the similar price-range. M21-04/M16-14M has the thickest blade. By the way, the thickness of the blade is not always available from the knife sites. Only a few offer this info. The price factor also played role in my purchasing decision. Most importantly, most the reviews I read are positive about them.

(2) Lock:
I appreciated the secondary lock (LAWKS) which is easy to engage and makes the main lock very secure once it is engaged. Some might argue that it is added because the main lock was somewhat "unsafe" or "flawed" to begin with. I would like to point out that no lock (be it a liner or other type) is 100% secure by itself. But LAWKS does give you the sense of being close to using a fixed blade once it is engaged.

(3) Action:
I heard many comments on the practicality and fun factor of the "Carson Flipper" feature. I like it mainly because it is an effective guard for the hand by preventing it from slipping into sharp blade.
But I do not use it as a main or only device to open the blade. I preferred to open the blade by placing my index finger on the flipper and thumb on the stub, then making turning motion clock-wise with both figures like one would close a bottle cap (or rotate a hex nut). Once the initial turn is made, the thumb will take over to finish off the rest of the journey until the blade is locked in place. The main reasons I prefer this way are: (a) I can then set the pivot tension tighter without worrying the added difficulty when opening. Essentially the "torque" force of this method overcomes the tighter tension. A tighter tension will make the knife safer when it is stored or carried. (b) I can open the blade in a more deliberate and silent manner. I am not fond of making quick motion while generating a clicking sound when blade is locked in place. Nevertheless, this method can still achieve a fast deployment when the speed is needed. After some practice, I can now open and close the blade smoothly with my both hands.

(4) Blade:
Without any specification on hand, I thought the blade grind for M16-14M is straight or flat type. I got this impression from the pictures on various sites. It turned out to be hollow grind. A tiny bit disappointment there. But the tanto format already gives the blade plenty strength so I am not unhappy at all. I also found that M21-04 has larger overall unground (the thickest) area on the blade than M16-14M does. This potentially makes M21-04's blade strong (if not stronger than M16-14M). But the blade coating (TiNi) and other niceties justified the extra money for M16-14M.

(5) Other areas:
M21-04 has 4-way positioning for the pocket clip. M16-14M has only 2 positions. This information is not listed anywhere until you receive the product. I am right-handed so this does not affect me. But I suppose it affects some people. So I hope my information can be of some help.

I also found that there is an extra insert at the butt area of M16-14M. While M21-04 has metal ring like studs in the same area. I am wondering whether the plastic insert on M16-14M is weaker or stronger than the support on M21-04. Appreciated if someone can provide the information.

The handle is basically built with layers of plates/liners bound/fastened togather in 3 places: blade pivot in the front and 2 fasteners at the rear end of the handle. I wish CRKT could add one or more such fasteners so as to make the handle stronger. It seems that there are more rooms along the spine of the handle. This may be the industry standard and well-tested design so my concern may be out of place here.

Thanks for reading thru this long-winded review
 
Nice review. I've always wanted to own a Kit Carson design, and the M21 has piqued my interest.
new_pal said:
M21-04 has 4-way positioning for the pocket clip.
Just to clarify, does this mean you can reposition the clip for either tip-up or down carry?
 
Deadhead Archer, Yes, you can reposition the clip for either tip-up or down carry. For M21-04, you can do tip-up or down on both sides of the knife while M16-14M only allows you to do so on one side.
 
Thanks again for the info and the thorough review! :thumbup: I've gone ahead and ordered on, and now I play the waiting game with the Brown Santa... :D
 
Good review. I love the M21-X4. Very nice quality and a good feel. For "outside the tent" noise, however, I'd go with the Cold Steel Voyager with a 6-inch serrated blade, or the Vaquero Grande. A .357 in my other hand also would make me a bit more comfortable.

The M21 has a beautiful blade and I wish CRKT would put it in their titanium collection. Currently only their tanto warrants the large size, but tantos have always puzzled me as to their value. CS has done a lot to hype them, but a good Bowie-styled blade makes more sense.

When I got bit by the knife bug, I started off with 3-inch blades and have been getting progressively larger ones. Now the 6-inch Voyager seems about right if I'm going to be iffy neighborhoods in gun-unfriendly states. And for regualr carry, a 4- or 5-inch blade is just right. Can't find much use for 3-inch blades anymore.
 
Confederate said:
... I'd go with the Cold Steel Voyager with a 6-inch serrated blade, or the Vaquero Grande. A .357 in my other hand also would make me a bit more comfortable...

Thanks for the suggestion. I took a brief look at both folders from web sites. But they all seem having lockbacks. Maybe I was steered wrong way by various materials I was reading. I am definitely leaning toward liner or frame lock on a folder. Well, I am happy with what I have right now (EDCing one with one as backup) so am not in a hurry to procure another one yet (until the burning desire rises again). Regarding .357, that will take me to another whole new direction which I foresee some bigger excitement (more specifications to learn and ponder, along with bigger expenses). The thought alone sends my heart pounding. I think I will go meditating now...
 
new_pal said:
M21-04 has 4-way positioning for the pocket clip. M16-14M has only 2 positions.
Not all M21-04 have 4-way pocket clip.
2 pics from pvknife.com:
m21scom.jpg

carsonm21.jpg
 
Ig said:
Not all M21-04 have 4-way pocket clip.
You are right. That is a surprise to me. I hope I didn't cause any trouble to anyone by my previous statement. Thanks for the correction. I guess the best way is to contact vendor to confirm it before purchasing (if the issue matters).
 
I have a CRKT Carson M21-04 also and it is one big bad folder!
For the "noise outside the tent" it is perfect.

Thanks for the review,
Allen.
 
Good review. I love the M21-X4. Very nice quality and a good feel. For "outside the tent" noise, however, I'd go with the Cold Steel Voyager with a 6-inch serrated blade, or the Vaquero Grande. A .357 in my other hand also would make me a bit more comfortable.

The M21 has a beautiful blade and I wish CRKT would put it in their titanium collection. Currently only their tanto warrants the large size, but tantos have always puzzled me as to their value. CS has done a lot to hype them, but a good Bowie-styled blade makes more sense.

When I got bit by the knife bug, I started off with 3-inch blades and have been getting progressively larger ones. Now the 6-inch Voyager seems about right if I'm going to be iffy neighborhoods in gun-unfriendly states. And for regualr carry, a 4- or 5-inch blade is just right. Can't find much use for 3-inch blades anymore.

Confederate, many years have passed. I now regretted that I did not look into Voyager knife and Cold Steel knives in general more thoroughly. I now think that the Tri-Ad lock from Cold Steel is the strongest lock for folders. I was too new with knives and did not spend enough time to find that out then...
 
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