knifemaking question

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Hi ALL:

Does anyone know where I can buy aluminum ( for balisong handles ) that will not corrode and rub off in your hands. Or treat the aluminum that I have so it wont corrode.

Knifesmith

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I like throwing knives, they're quiet.
 
What do you mean? No Aluminum corrodes or rubs off in your hands. Well, all things corrode, but to paraphrase Chuck Gollnick; Aluminum quickly oxidizes forming a thin layer of Aluminum Oxide, a clear substance that is extremely hard, thus being a self limiting process.

No Aluminum should give you problems with corrosion or 'rubbing off.'
 
I am sorry
I meant to say oxidise
I find that when I have aluminum that is not painted it does this. Outside of paint is there a way to stop this?

Knifesmith

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I like throwing knives, they're quiet.
 
Hard anodizing; you can get most any color but you'll have to find a place that does small quantities and that may be difficult...
 
I worked in an aluminum extrusion plant over the summers of 1996 & 1997, so I believe my opinion may count for something here, though I am by absolutely no means an expert on the subject.

Aluminum oxidizes very quickly. To give an idea of just how fast it happens, a billet of aluminum takes about a minute to press through a die; the leading end of the extrusion has oxidized before the tail end is clipped off. The oxidization is very hard, and transparent. Unless you knew it was there, you wouldn't know it was there, you know?

This oxide layer, being - as Mr. Disco's pointed out - a self-limiting one, prevents corrosion. Al doesn't corrode unless exposed to some corrosive agent, like an acid or alkaline etchant, extreme heat, years (literally years) of direct sunlight, etc.

Anodization doesn't prevent the oxide layer from forming, since it's the oxide layer that takes & holds (most of) the colour. Painting just buries the oxide layer under some paint. (Incidentally, aluminum doesn't paint very well - dish soap and a Scotch-Brite pad will strip most paints from aluminum.)

Why would you want to stop the oxide layer from forming? I'm confused!

Edit: Can't think of anyplace off the top of my head for a source, unless you want industrial-sized billets, in huge amounts. In that case, contact Alcan.
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Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!
JRR Tolkien

[This message has been edited by willOthewisp (edited 02-06-2001).]
 
I guess that I am confused.
All I know is when I rub my hand on this aluminum rod I bought this silvery black like dust comes off of it and I have seen this before.

Does that help Willothewisp?

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I like throwing knives, they're quiet.
 
Hmmm... I dunno. It sounds very much like it is corroding (the silvery-black stuff), which isn't making sense to me. It could be a bad alloy, it could have been exposed to an acidic or caustic corrosive agent which somehow hasn't been neutralized ... Heat treatment (or lack thereof) perhaps, but not all aluminum products get heat-treated ...

Nuts, man, I'm flummoxed!!!

Try sanding a small bit of it down, to the bare metal. (It should be pretty much white.) Leave it to sit for a while, like a couple of days or more (ideally, the longer the better), and see if the sanded bit stays white. If it does, problem solved (sort of - there's still the fact that it has corroded some, which just shouldn't happen). If the sanded bit shows signs of corrosion (that black powdery stuff again) then there's something wrong - and you should get in touch with the folks who sold you the material, explain to them that this is something outside what you've understood the properties of aluminum to be, and ask them if they know why it's happening. And let me know as well, I'll see what else I can find out.

Hope that helps, but I think I've managed to confuse myself ...

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Never laugh at live dragons, Bilbo you fool!
JRR Tolkien
 
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