knive vs. hatchet

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Okay, it's potentially a loaded question, but I'm not looking to start a war between the two camps, and I'm actually looking for some specific information, despite how scattershot this post might end up being.

When I first got into knives about a year ago, the idea of using a knife for anything a hatchet could do--hacking off branches/limbs, bring down small trees, splitting wood--was preposterous. But slowly I came around to the point of view that a proper knife could do those camp chores better, easier, and safer. I even recently bought a Spyderco Hossom Forager to try out a big knife instead of a hatchet for camping. For various, irrelevant reasons, I got rid of the Forager before I ever got to use it. So in the process looking for another big chopper of a knife I came across the Bark River Camp Ax. It looks interesting, and it got me thinking again about the wisdom of using hatchet rather than a knife.

My specific situation for usage involves the following:
--no car camping, long hikes and portages involved, so size and weight are issues
--my camping buddy always has his Sawvivor for bringing down (dead) trees and dismantling larger pieces of wood
--my cheap, old hatchet has always seemed to have gotten the job done fine, but since I've never used anything else I don't really know if things could get done better
--I can't give you the hatchet's weight or size b/c it is presently being borrowed, but I''m pretty sure it's larger and heavier than the Bark River
--cost not really an issue, but within reason: I won't spend $500 on a Busse or even $300 on a custom hatchet/axe... however I would spend $300 on a knife:D

To replace the Forager, I was considering the RD-7, BK7, RC-6, RAT-7, and Bravo-2. As far as hatchets go, I really have no idea other than the Bark River Camp Ax.

So what am I asking? Good question. I suppose I'm looking for general and specific opinions about using a knife vs. hatchet for camp chores. I suppose I'm looking for those opinions to maybe consider my specific situation that I wrote about. I suppose I'm looking for opinions on the knives I listed (or other appropriate ones I overlooked) for the uses I listed. Also, opinions on the Bark River Camp Ax would be great. And perhaps some suggestions on other high quality and, more importantly, effective hatchets.

I know that's asking a lot, so if you're so inclined than maybe just choose one question to comment on. Big thanks to anyone who does.:)
 
Head over to WSS, maybe do a search, this must have come up over there.

Pitdog (a member here) was having the same dillema that you are, and he had Stomper (JK knives) build him a "knatchet", you can search that as well.

In your situation I prefer to bring a hatchet or even a 3/4 axe as well as a small fixed blade. The extra weight is worth it to me. I've never been one for big knives, but I ended up trading for a BK7, and on one trip I brought that along instead of a hatchet/axe. I missed having the axe.

The wetterling's hatchets are a popular item over in the WSS subforum, and the gerber/fiskars are a good value for the money. I'm sure the bark river camp axe is also a good choice.

Have you seen the new Junglas machete by RAT, might also be worth taking a look at.
 
I dont believe that the axe and the knife are "VS" each other; they are good friends in fact; sometimes inviting each other over for a nice brew of tea and crumpets:eek: (the knatchet is proof, its their lovechild). Also don't forget about their favorite cousin Machete. He brings a mean game as well and at only a eighth of the cost.

If you are interested in hatchets, check out:

Roselli, Wetterlings, and Gransfors Bruks.

Also if you are interested in Machetes look at: Tramontina and Condor

For splitting wood, and easy option is to make wooden wedges and baton them. For this you only really need a small stout knife. Wooden wedges can also assist a large knife or an axe when they come into contact with knots. The great thing about the wedges is that you can shape them to be as thick as you need to split the wood.

Hope that helps.


enjoy:)
 
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Having used both over the years I like using a large knife better. :)

When I go hiking and or camping I don't like to carry more than I really have to.
 
What you need is a good 4" to 5" fixed blade and one of these -

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Wetterlings​
 
In my mind I like to think about the knife and the axe in the woods this way:

1. The knife excels at chopping a lot of branches and limbs quickly with moderate effort. It also requires more swings, which can tire an arm out quickly. Thicker logs require more time and effort with a knife, and batoning with it has the potential of breaking your blade, making your knife useless.

And before you Busse heads out there start beating your hairy chests and stomping up and down on the ground about the blade breaking, not everyone can afford one or wait long enough for one.

2. The axe/hatchet excels at chopping larger limps and logs, and while more durable than a knife, requires more effort to use because it has a higher center of gravity. This actually improves the chopping efficiency as you will require fewer swings than with a knife. The plus side to an axe/hatchet is that it can be re-sharpened very quickly with a small file by hand, while a knife requires a stone/oil and usually more time to resharpen properly.

This is why I either like to carry a Gerber hatchet with a Buck 110 folding knife for extended stays with mother nature. Or, if it's only a few days and I'm in bear or "Deliverance" country, I carry my 7.5" Bark River heavy bowie for heavy work with a Swiss Army Mauser for light duty work.
 
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What you need is a good 4" to 5" fixed blade and one of these -

SAW10H.jpg


Wetterlings​

Got the fixed blade part covered with my Scrap Yard Scrapper 5 LE. Now I'm researching the hatchet part, and Wetterlings is frequently coming up. Know where to get them online (or in store) in Canada?

On a related note, I searched the Axe, Tomahawk, & Hatchet sub-forum and not one mention of the BRKT Camp Ax:confused:. That makes me wonder. Hope I just overlooked it in my searching because it is one the contenders so far, although foolishly based only on looks and novelty.
 
Like The Government said, I don't think the two tools are really in competition... I'd say it's a matter of preference.

Personally, I generally use my beat up ten-dollar hatchet and a good small-medium sized knife. I still tend to think of running around the woods trying to chop down trees with a half-grand worth of Busse or something similar as just plain silly, but some guys swear by it, so who am I to judge? If you find something that works for you, my advice would be to keep with it.

If you found your cheap hatchet performed all the tasks you needed, why not stick with that? Or, if you'd like to upgrade, check out Wetterlings or Gransfors Bruks - it doesn't make much sense to fix something that ain't broke (in this case, the type of gear you use in the bush).

EDIT: For Gransfors-Bruks stuff in Canada, Lee Valley seems to carry a good selection. I'm not sure how their prices stack up against the competition, though. You might be able to find out at the Canadian regional forum.
 
OK, to all ye nay' sayers.

I can't afford a Busse, but I still got two. Took me a while to save up, and trade up but I'm happy. And as I have one of the most indestructible busse blades, I don't have to worry about it breaking, ever.

Now that said its not a Fat Battle Mistress, but a much shorter ASH-1 CG, its cheaper, but not as good when it comes to chopping. Still I think it is a lot more useful then a small hatchet. It is a heavy knife therefore it can chop, a friend of mine was also skeptical before he saw the knife. I'm only talking about the hatchet that is similar size/weight as my knife. A bigger one would be more effective I would think.

If you rarely hike alone, then do what I do, make sure your buddies are carrying all the heavy equipment your group might need. So I will not go camping without an axe in our group, but I'll do my best not to carry one myself all the way.

I just got the ASH-1 and haven't chopped with it yet, so I'm still in a hatchet/axe camp.

You also might want to check out Himalayan Imports, I don't have one, but their prices are decent and I heard nothing but good things about them.
American Kami also looks business, but I haven't tried them yet.
 
however I would spend $300 on a knife:D

I don't think you need to spend that much!

Try buying something from this page:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7735310&postcount=271
I would suggest this one:
http://yhst-7333098713883.stores.yahoo.net/15inchangkhola.html (for $300 you could get both and send me the second one as a reward for making such a great suggestion)
Some of the other ones on the same page are getting a bit big & heavy.

I have serious doubts that a hatchet of similar weight would out chop the Ang Khola - but if someone wants to put them head to head on a video I would love to check it out.

Even my cheapie KA-BAR Kukri does a reasonable job of chopping wood:
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The HI Khukuri knives would definitely be better (though dearer & heavier).
 
In your situation I prefer to bring a hatchet or even a 3/4 axe as well as a small fixed blade. The extra weight is worth it to me.

What you need is a good 4" to 5" fixed blade and one of these

You know, I've been camping and hiking all my life and the whole time had only a SAK (along with fillet knife and hatchet) with me. And honestly, I've never run into a situation that the SAK couldn't handle with ease. Now I've gone knife crazy and convinced myself that I will suffer horribly without 5" of fixed INFI blade steel strapped to my belt, a hi-vis orange Spyderco Military folder clipped in my right pocket, and my SAK (which still gets all the use) riding loose in my left pocket. Not to mention the "back-ups" in my pack: a Paramilitary for when the Military feels too big, my beater Ka-Bar Dozier Folding Hunter for really rough or dirty jobs, AND my extra-special, super-duper "treat" knife used strictly for impressing whoever is with me--used to be a small Sebenza, now I have visions of a Murray Carter Brute Wharncliffe filling that role. Oh yeah, and just yesterday I came to the conclusion that a neck knife (of course the Carter doesn't count:rolleyes:) will make my camping trips into the best camping trips in the history of camping trips... so for the past 24 hours I've been drowning in info and research on Izulas, Bravo Neckers, Becker Neckers... I need some sort of intervention or the services of one of those cult de-programmers.
 
Hatchets are better for chopping thick hardwood because the mass is all at the end, where you want it for a chopping motion. They also split wood well, but if you don't have logs that are sawed on the ends so they can stand up, it can sometimes be a little risky trying to improvise a stand for the log you want to split, and split it with the hatchet. Especially in icy weather, which is generally when one needs to split wood.

Knives will not chop quite as well because the mass is more spread out, but they can still do surprisingly well. I would suggest looking at an RD9, not an RD7. 7 inch models just don't chop that well, though with a thin edge they can still pull their own. I think 9 inches is the minimum blade length one should seek in a chopper knife. Knives are much more efficient IMO for clearing brush and limbing felled trees. They're also great for batoning, which in certain situations can be safer than splitting with a hatchet.

For a chopping knife, look for 9 inch + blade, designs with more weight towards the tip and put a thin edge on it so it bites well. Thick factory edges are complete crap for chopping. My choice is a CG Scrapyard Dogfather, which runs around 250$. The partial tang and saber grind means a lot of forward mass, and the steel is super tough so it can chop and baton all day with a thin 10 degree per side edge with no damage.

Either can work, just buy what will work best and use what you're comfortable with. Knives are more versatile in their applications, but hatcets and axes cannot be beat for dedicated wood chopping.
 
You know, I've been camping and hiking all my life and the whole time had only a SAK (along with fillet knife and hatchet) with me. And honestly, I've never run into a situation that the SAK couldn't handle with ease. Now I've gone knife crazy and convinced myself that I will suffer horribly without 5" of fixed INFI blade steel strapped to my belt, a hi-vis orange Spyderco Military folder clipped in my right pocket, and my SAK (which still gets all the use) riding loose in my left pocket. Not to mention the "back-ups" in my pack: a Paramilitary for when the Military feels too big, my beater Ka-Bar Dozier Folding Hunter for really rough or dirty jobs, AND my extra-special, super-duper "treat" knife used strictly for impressing whoever is with me--used to be a small Sebenza, now I have visions of a Murray Carter Brute Wharncliffe filling that role. Oh yeah, and just yesterday I came to the conclusion that a neck knife (of course the Carter doesn't count:rolleyes:) will make my camping trips into the best camping trips in the history of camping trips... so for the past 24 hours I've been drowning in info and research on Izulas, Bravo Neckers, Becker Neckers... I need some sort of intervention or the services of one of those cult de-programmers.

Hahaha, ohh man sadly your humor precisely described me not too long ago. I had knives backing up knives...ugh I dont even want to go into it. I was popular with the young nephews in law but for the adults I was their entertainment :S


As for this thread, although I choose to use my chopper knives, a well designed hatchet with a good balance of materials is very tough to beat. Despite me knowing this I still use my choppers :p
However I'm starting to like some of these custom "hatchets" that are becoming popular; this along with my newly ordered Fehrman Last Chance should make a nice fun, content and appropriate combo for my needs :) As to which is better, I think it's more of a personal preference.
 
Axes and hatchets can be batoned and achieve the "safety factor" that large knives claim. By the time you baton the axe so that the axe is even with the surface of the wood, the wood should probably be spit. If it is not yet split you can place a piece of wood on top of your axe head (that is the same thickness as the axe) and drive that piece of wood through the log with your baton. This drives the axe through the wood until it splits. Of course, you could just take the axe out at that point and use only the wood wedge to split the wood.

You can also lay your wood down on the ground and split with the grain -this way you don't have to balance the wood upright.

Finally, if you have a saw and your wood is not full of knots or twists in the grain, you can split wood with an axe much more efficiently than any batoning technique using the "traditional wood splitting technique." The Roselli axe is particularly good at this because of how thick its bevel is. It can split wood in one chop easily -the wood just pops apart.

The primary deciding factors between the "knife and axe dilemma" are weather, terrain, and weight IMHO.

Just like you said, a SAK is what sees the most action. That or a small fixed blade.
 
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The Fiskars hatchet that I bought on sale at CT for $11 out chops/splits my $300 Busse ASHI by a wide margin.
I take the Busse camping in the summer because it's fun. :)
I take the Fiskars and a RAT3 camping in the winter because I'm trying to stay alive.
 
Hatchets are better for chopping thick hardwood because the mass is all at the end, where you want it for a chopping motion. They also split wood well, but if you don't have logs that are sawed on the ends so they can stand up, it can sometimes be a little risky trying to improvise a stand for the log you want to split, and split it with the hatchet. Especially in icy weather, which is generally when one needs to split wood.

Knives will not chop quite as well because the mass is more spread out, but they can still do surprisingly well. I would suggest looking at an RD9, not an RD7. 7 inch models just don't chop that well, though with a thin edge they can still pull their own. I think 9 inches is the minimum blade length one should seek in a chopper knife. Knives are much more efficient IMO for clearing brush and limbing felled trees. They're also great for batoning, which in certain situations can be safer than splitting with a hatchet.

For a chopping knife, look for 9 inch + blade, designs with more weight towards the tip and put a thin edge on it so it bites well. Thick factory edges are complete crap for chopping. My choice is a CG Scrapyard Dogfather, which runs around 250$. The partial tang and saber grind means a lot of forward mass, and the steel is super tough so it can chop and baton all day with a thin 10 degree per side edge with no damage.

Either can work, just buy what will work best and use what you're comfortable with. Knives are more versatile in their applications, but hatcets and axes cannot be beat for dedicated wood chopping.

Find or cut a thick Y shaped branch and lay it flat on the ground. Put the log in the crotch of the branch. Stand at the uphill end of the stick you want to cut. That lets you split it with an axe without the axe cutting through into the rocky ground.

In the old west they used to call this contraption a "schoolmarm".
 
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