Knives and steels that get sharpest of them all and in least time.....

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My Victorinox and Opinel paring knives with Victorinox mystery steel and Opinel's 12c27mod get sharp easier ,and sharper than any of my other knives.These are unbeliavable performers for price and great for everyday use.
 
One that gets crazy sharp and easily is my Leatherman c33tx the 420hc super useful tool....Another crazy sharp blade(9cr14mov??) is the HK unsub,kind of an BIG5 exclusive,I like the edge geometry its really thin as is my Leatherman c33tx.oh btw the are also both hollowground.
 
Victorinox uses X55 Cr Mov14 a very fine grain stainless steel. Very similar to Krupp 4116 or X50 Cr Mov15 used in German chef knives.
 
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I'd say the following...

420HC
440A (if the grind and edge geometry is right)
4034 Krupp
4116 Krupp
Sandvik Steels (any of 'em in general)
AUS-4,AUS-6,and AUS-8
1095 Carbon Steel
 
No one has said it yet so I may as well :

For all practical purposes one can get about any of the edge steels so close to equally sharp that nearly anyone but a master sharpener couldn't tell the difference between them.

besides that I will say :

  • Edge geometry, thin blade / narrow angle has ALOT to do with "sharp" seeming.
  • My favorite little Cold Steel paring knife comes in Krupp 4116 and from the factory . . . I received three of them (I said it is my favorite right ? Had to have a back up for my back up) . . . well anyway I received three of them and they were ALL hair whittling sharp. A ten dollar knife. Hair whittling. FROM THE FACTORY.
  • I regularly, every time, get my A-2 edges super hair whittling without even trying. I have a system . . . I have done it so many times the same way . . . and I just follow my system. When I come off the last stone I don't even have to test the edge . . . I know it is hair whittling. I test about every fifth one and sure enough.


So I know it isn't so much the steel as what you are using to sharpen it. Use the right stuff the right way and this steel or that steel it isn't that hard.
well except for S110V . . . miserable stuff :)
 
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In my opinion, it boils down to two factors:

1. Fine grained steel
2. Low carbide, non-super, not heat treated really hard "normal" steel.

Several steels that combine these properties have already been listed. 440C actually falls into this broad category too. So does 8Cr13MoV. I don't have personal experience with it, but 154CM seems to be a similar steel: Easy to sharpen, and takes a rather fine edge without tons of extra effort.

Higher carbide steels are much more difficult and don't seem to take fine edges nearly as easily or as well. In my opinion, S30V is a total stinker of a steel composition. I will likely never buy another S30V blade again. It takes much longer to sharpen and then doesn't take as fine of an edge. *Then*, as soon as you use it, the fine edge drops away, leaving behind an edge that mostly won't shave hair, and stays that way for quite a while. Mediocre sharpness for a long time, after much more sharpening effort. No thanks.

Brian.
 
I'll also agree, blade and edge geometry make the biggest difference in the long run, so long as the steel itself has been manufactured and heat treated to decent standards. Some steels will take longer (or much longer) to thin to the best geometry; but once there, they perform a lot better and are easier to keep sharp. I used to be skeptical of S30V as a whole, but a couple of my knives (Kershaw Leek and a CRK Sebenza) turned my opinion around on that, after finally getting them to the geometry that made them 'work'. They went from yawn-worthy duds to amazingly sharp, once I finally crossed a certain threshold of thinness at/behind the edge.

The only knives in my memory, that I haven't been happy with, no matter what I've tried with them, were knives that displayed obvious issues with poor heat treat, after thinning them to realistic geometry. Edges just folded over under light pressure (one which I could SEE fold under pressure from my thumbnail), or burring issues were so bad as to make them almost worthless. I couldn't blame the steel type itself, as I have other knives in the same steels (from other makers) which are some of the best I've ever seen. Heat treat and quality of manufacture make all the difference, most of the time.

Another factor is finding abrasive types and even specific brand/stone types which work best with a given steel. That made the difference with the two S30V knives I mentioned above. I used diamond all the way for both, including 3µ Dia-Paste stropping on basswood, which made the night-vs-day difference on the Leek in particular. I'd previously kept trying to improve the Leek with other means, like sandpaper sharpening (SiC and/or AlOx wet/dry) and polishing with AlOx pastes (Simichrome, etc). But the edge on the Leek never fully responded until I took it through a sequence of DMT Fine, EF (& maybe EEF), followed by 3µ Dia-Paste, which put it over the top. With that experience behind me, I used essentially the same strategy with the Sebenza, using a Coarse & Fine DMT, and the EF, followed by 1µ Dia-Paste on basswood, for stropping. With the thinner geometry, I've since settled into using either the Coarse or Fine DMT (45µ or 25µ) for most of the touchups on that blade, with very minimal stropping to follow, and it's done a lot better than I previously believed S30V could ever do.

Bottom line though, with the exception of steels with heat treat or other quality issues, ALL of the knives I've initially not liked for sharpness have been improved, sometimes vastly, by taking them thinner than the factory geometry; sometimes much, much thinner. Thick blades and obtuse factory edges are too often a big disappointment, no matter the steel type or quality.


David
 
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M4 for me, just love the stuff, sharpens to a great edge and just holds

S110 sucks but I'm hoping that when I can get some glass handles and diamond film for my wicked edge it will help with all my steels to get even better
 
S30V . . . finally getting them to the geometry that made them 'work'. They went from yawn-worthy duds to amazingly sharp, once I finally crossed a certain threshold of thinness at/behind the edge.

Another factor is finding abrasive types and even specific brand/stone types which work best with a given steel. That made the difference with the two S30V knives I mentioned above.

After all . . .
and I don't have much experience with S30V but I am perfectly HAPPY WITH my Spyderco Para 2 in that steel . . .
after all S30V was engineered to be a knife blade steel. It should be pretty danged close to good enough / great knife steel . . . right ?

except for S110V . . . miserable stuff
Seriously though I am about convinced that the one example that I found literally to be a MISERABLE performer . . .

yawn-worthy dud
worse than that . . . toss in the trash can worthy dud it dulled so fast

as soon as you use it, the fine edge drops away, leaving behind an edge that mostly won't shave hair, and stays that way for quite a while. Mediocre sharpness for a long time,
worse than that Poor sharpness for a long time (well not a long time because I kept sharpening the miserable thing).

exactly as described above for the S30V the geometry of the S110V was so far OUT OF THE BALL PARK for this steel , 30 thou behind the edge and greater than (>) 30° inclusive that the poor thing didn't have a hope in Hades at being a real knife edge.

I should have listened to my "inner sharpener" and did a major reprofile.
 
I get hair whittling edges without trying using just coarse dmt folding sharpener,and stropping on back of my palm ,but with Opinels and other thin edge geometries do it in few minutes.12c27 takes super nice edge,toothy or fine.Other knives I have to regrind little first when out of factory,or thin out the edge first on belt sander.
 
Just about any carbon steel can get a finer edge than stainless due to the lack of chromium, and having smaller carbides. Aogami Super is an amazing steel that takes the keenest edge I have ever seen. My wife's Kohetsu santoku in Aogami Super is sharpened at 12º per side, and I could probably go steeper.
 
Just about any carbon steel can get a finer edge than stainless due to the lack of chromium, and having smaller carbides. Aogami Super is an amazing steel that takes the keenest edge I have ever seen. My wife's Kohetsu santoku in Aogami Super is sharpened at 12º per side, and I could probably go steeper.

Shirogami #1 is even finer, but not as much edge holding :D
 
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