Knives and warmth, history, etc...

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I have a question. What gives classic/traditional knives their warmth? I have pondered this question many times. I usually carry a modern one hand knife, but when it comes to knives I really like and won’t sell, it is the classic slip joints and a FEW fixed blades, but why? I have thought maybe it is simplicity, but a good slip joint is not simple, either in number of parts or in manufacture. I have thought maybe age, but there are many knives that don’t hold the same mystique that are older or have more history. I don’t know, maybe they just harken back to a simpler time, or maybe it is because a good slip joint exudes craftsmanship better than a more modern style. I certainly appreciate G10, anodized aluminum, and CPM stainless for what they are; but give me an old carbon steel, stag handled slip joint and it carries something that newer, more efficient designs don’t. At least for me. Your thoughts….

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That quality, that special something, is what we're talking about when we say "folksy." It's one of the mysteries of the universe. ;) :thumbup:
 
Warmth, mystique, tradition, memories, folksy.... a picture is worth a thousand words...

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How can g-10 and anodized alloys compare?
 
A good slipjoint brings back many fond memories for me because both of my Grandfathers' carried one.Slipjoints have a unique character all their own.They also bring to mind of simpler times,when the world did'nt seem so topsy-turvy.When people passing on the sidewalk would actualy say hello,even if they did'nt know one another.Of when neighbors went to each others houses for dinner once in awhile.Of when a person could pay all their bills in town instead of mailing their bills all over the country.Of when life moved just a little more slow and you did'nt have to worry about whether your job or retirement was secure.Anyway,sorry for the rant,but that's what looking at,holding,and using a slipjoint means to me.
 
As Grim put it, It does remind me of the simpler times and also of modest living. It reminds me of my dad taking out his Old Timer and cutting a hose as we worked on the old GMC truck. It reminds me that its a tool and nothing more.
 
Tradition, craftsmanship and purpose.

Tradition, as in why Kerry gets a little bent when someone calls a trapper a "dogleg" when it's not. Knifemaking is an art form with history and roots, and deserves a level of respect for the form and the people who, through their sweat-efforts, have kept it pure. And besides, granddad carried one along side his real silver dollar worn smooth and sharp edged from 50 years worry on the farm.

The craftsmanship of hand-made and hand-fitted parts resulting in flowing lines and silky smooth functionality, pared down through decades, if not centuries, of design perfection.

And, always keeping in mind the purpose for which we carry a traditional slipjoint. A tool, a companion, a comfortable distraction from the too-fast pace of today's world. Let's face it, most of us when going somewhere we feel a little less safe will carry a modern, one-hand-opening, supersteel tacticool. But it's not got any soul. We haven't invested as much of ourselves into it for all of the above reasons.
 
Warmth, mystique, tradition, memories, folksy.... a picture is worth a thousand words...

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How can g-10 and anodized alloys compare?


They can't.


This is a subject that I have also wondered about many times. I don't have an answer, but I can only venture a guess that the human eye on some deep level. knows what looks good, and what does not. The ancient Greeks and Romans had a high degree of art in thier daily life. Buildings, everyday objects from soup ladels to ships, had an eye pleasing design. It wasn't just all about function.

Today, we have most products that are from the modern school of 'how fast can we make this'. No thought is given anymore to what it looks like, instead, the artificial market convinces the customer that this is what he really needs. No matter how cold and sterile.

I think when we look at an old knife, or old blued gun, there's that deep seated human gene that lets us know that it looks right. If pushed, I think humans will rebel against the cold look. Now in the market place, look at how many things are driven by a nostalgia wave. Old classic cars will bring a price way higher that a nice new car. Old styles of clothing are coming back. And the fastest growing shooting sport is cowboy action shooting. It's all about nostalgia. A deep seated knowledge of what is right and wrong. In this day of tactical everything, the local gunshops can't keep up with the demand for cowby action stuff. My club started holding the shoots a few years ago, and it's swamped over the military rifle shoots, the tactical pistol shoots, the bowling pin matches. On Thunder Valley day weekend held once a month, its a mob of whole familys in western garb, toting lever action rifles and single action revolvers and break open coachguns. And there is a great deal of younger people that never grew up watching Gunsmoke or Have Gun, Will Travel.

I think looking at a nice old bone handle pocket knife with grey patined blades, there is a little trip back to simpler times, when good guys wore the white hats, when people sat on the front porch in the evenings and talked with thier nieghbors, and cars each had thier own individual style, instead of all looking alke. Jelly bean cars in a stamped out world.

I think that the popularity of traditional knives will rise as the current generation gets tired of black handle knives that all look alike. That never change. That never develope any charater.

I think charater is important to people. We may not be able to explain just what it is, but on some level we know what it is not. And looking at a nice old well used but not abused pocket knife, we know it has it.
 
That is a good question Quy4n8! I have considered this myself many times... I still like one-handed-lockers as well, but there is some special about traditional knives. Something more 'real' to me. There are some good thoughts on this page already.
 
Great post jackknife - once again, I think you hit the nail on the head!:thumbup:

Nostalgia is a huge part of it, but I think a lot of it also has to do with bucking what's currently in vogue. Sure, I own more than my fair share of modern folders and fixed blades but there's just something quaint and soothing about using a traditional styled slipjoint, fountain pen, mechanical watch, etc. in this day and age.

Of course the opposite can be true as well...One thing that's a little hard for me to grasp sometimes is that not all people who grew up using such things look back on them as fondly as we do and actually prefer:eek:;) something more contemporary. For example, my Dad, who used to carry some form of pen knife for as long as I can remember, nowadays carries and loves using his Leatherman Micra instead.
 
Nicely written, Jackknife!
What is beautiful, is often objective! It is beautiful to every eye that pauses to contemplate it for a while!
If you are living too fast, you cannot find that beauty. In the case of a well made, nicely patina-ed knife, it will just look flawed and tattered to you. But when you peer into its goodness, it is like achieving Heaven, or Nirvana or. . . . .
 
I look forward to using and carrying my Traditional pocket knives the next day when I'm tired at night. That is what gives them special appeal for me. I also look forward to getting the next one.....but that applies to all knives I suspect!
 
It's like wearing a watch or carrying a wallet. If I don't have a traditional in my pocket I feel naked.
 
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