Knives at church Christmas party.

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Yesterday I went to my church youth group Christmas party. Turns out I'm not the only knife knut there. One of the girls pulled out one of the Kershaw Spec Bump variants, Speed Bump I think, to show it off. Well that's when I showed her my ZDP/Ti Leek and Spyderco Lava. Great to meet more knife people. Looks like I'm hanging around with the right kind of people.
 
I live in an attend a church in a rural area. Many of the members (including myself) carry pocket and/or small sheath knives and, sometimes, multitools. They often come in useful during Sunday School or Church.
 
Many of the members of my church are pocket knife toting people. As for the issue in general, why would you get dressed for Sunday go to meeting, and not carry your usual knife. ?

If its to bulky for dress pants, then just drop in in a coat pocket.
 
Seems pretty normal to me .... after all at least one of Jesus' disciples carried a sword, right? :)
 
Dog of War said:
Seems pretty normal to me .... after all at least one of Jesus' disciples carried a sword, right? :)
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Yeah--in fact, the apostles were able to sprout two of them in pretty short order:

"And [Jesus] said to them, 'But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. . . .' They [the apostles] said, 'Lord, look, here are two swords.' And He said to them, 'It is enough.'"
--Luke 22:36-38

. . . Nor were they disinclined to use them:

[At Jesus' arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, just outside Jerusalem:]
"But one of those who stood by drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear."
--Mark 14:47

The same incident, as reported in the Gospel of John:
"Simon Peter then, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave's name was Malchus. So Jesus said to Peter, 'Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?'"
--John 18:10-11.

While we're at it, check out the following:

Ancient sword-control law (didn't work then, either):

"Now no blacksmith could be found in all the land of Israel, for the Philistines said, 'Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears.' So all Israel went down to the Philistines, each to sharpen his plowshare, his mattock, his axe, and his hoe. The charge was two-thirds of a shekel for the plowshares, the mattocks, the forks, and the axes, and to fix the hoes. So it came about on the day of battle that neither sword nor spear was found in the hands of any of the people who were with Saul and Jonathan, but they were found with Saul and his son Jonathan."
--1st Samuel 13:19-22

And lest you think Bill Bagwell was the first person to advocate concealed carry of a big Bowie knife with a functional back edge:

"Ehud made himself a sword which had two edges, a cubit [= about 18 inches] in length, and he bound it on his right thigh under his cloak."
--Judges 3:16 [in subsequent verses, Ehud uses this blade to dispatch the wicked King Eglon of Moab.]
 
At my church most of the guy carry knives. They may not be knife knuts, and some of the knives may be junk but they still carry them. I got my first knife (leatherman knockoff) when I was seven, and I have carried a knife ever since, so it never stuck me as strange that all the guys my age carry knives. It has always been the norm.
 
I've always found some of the most knife-friendly people at the churches we've attended over the years (as opposed to schools, work, etc.)

- Mark
 
Nice assemblage of quotes there, RoJD, obviously the ancients understood that it wasn't the sword itself, but the man wielding the sword, that was the real issue. Makes one long for the days before political correctness displaced practicality and common sense.

"I bring not peace. I bring a sword."
 
Return of the J.D. said:
Yeah--in fact, the apostles were able to sprout two of them in pretty short order:

"And [Jesus] said to them, 'But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. . . .' They [the apostles] said, 'Lord, look, here are two swords.' And He said to them, 'It is enough.'"
--Luke 22:36-38

. . . Nor were they disinclined to use them:

[At Jesus' arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, just outside Jerusalem:]
"But one of those who stood by drew his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear."
--Mark 14:47

The same incident, as reported in the Gospel of John:
"Simon Peter then, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave's name was Malchus. So Jesus said to Peter, 'Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?'"
--John 18:10-11.

While we're at it, check out the following:

Ancient sword-control law (didn't work then, either):

"Now no blacksmith could be found in all the land of Israel, for the Philistines said, 'Otherwise the Hebrews will make swords or spears.' So all Israel went down to the Philistines, each to sharpen his plowshare, his mattock, his axe, and his hoe. The charge was two-thirds of a shekel for the plowshares, the mattocks, the forks, and the axes, and to fix the hoes. So it came about on the day of battle that neither sword nor spear was found in the hands of any of the people who were with Saul and Jonathan, but they were found with Saul and his son Jonathan."
--1st Samuel 13:19-22

And lest you think Bill Bagwell was the first person to advocate concealed carry of a big Bowie knife with a functional back edge:

"Ehud made himself a sword which had two edges, a cubit [= about 18 inches] in length, and he bound it on his right thigh under his cloak."
--Judges 3:16 [in subsequent verses, Ehud uses this blade to dispatch the wicked King Eglon of Moab.]
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I have a pretty religious family, and they always HATED me having a knife with me, especially at church. I made a similar list of quotes like yours straight from the bible, and somehow they managed to twist it so it worked in their favor. I cant remember how though, largely because I stopped listening when I knew it was BS.... Either way, there shouldnt be anything wrong with it unless I try to kill someone with one.
 
I'm not sure how many folks at my church carry a knife except when we're building or repairing stuff on Saturdays. On work projects most of the guys have a pocket tool or some such. But certainly no one has ever said anything negative about my Native riding in my back pocket on Sunday mornings.

One of my pastors was a lieutenant in Vietnam. Ran a combat team. You have to speak loudly to talk to him. Somehow I don't think he's got a problem with my knife.
 
Dog of War said:
Nice assemblage of quotes there, RoJD, obviously the ancients understood that it wasn't the sword itself, but the man wielding the sword, that was the real issue. Makes one long for the days before political correctness displaced practicality and common sense.

"I bring not peace. I bring a sword."
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You're right about some of the ancients being wiser about the man, not the sword, being the real issue. What makes me simultaneously amused and frustrated is the passage from I Samuel, quoted above--which indicates that even as far back as the Philistines, people thought that weapons-control laws were the answer. It didn't work for the Philistines. It seems not to have worked all that well for the Japanese on Okinawa (where, I am told, sword-ownership restrictions for the general Okinawan population led to the development as weapons of wagon-pins (sai swords), sickles (kama), and grain-beating implements (nunchaku and tonfa).) Nor does it seem to have worked terribly well in pre-statehood Tombstone, Arizona (where the Earps and company precipitated the famous Gunfight at the O.K. Corral with the Clantons and company, by attempting to enforce--guess which law?).

I agree with you: I wish the pendulum would swing back in the direction of emphasizing responsibility, rather than trying to stop violence by banning weapons.
 
Here lately, there have been at least (2) Spyderco, (2) SOG, (2) Kershaw, (1) Leatherman sometimes (1) BM and several Buck, Schrade and no names at our services.
 
I'm going to midnight mass with a friend of mine Christmas Eve, and I plan on carrying my small Sebenza with Micarta scales, and my Spyderco mini Dyad or my Case CV amber bone medium stockman.

The last time I went to church wasn't really for mass, but to volunteer at a chicken dinner, and I saw a lot of traditional slipjoints, lotta Schrades and Case. Also SAKs and multitools.
 
One of my female friends has a rainbow leek she carries when not in school. But a girl packin a bump? Thats insane, I just handled one a week or so ago and they are incredibly meaty knives.

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