Knives from handsaw

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I'm contemplating cutting up an old handsaw (about 50 years old, so it should be reasonable quality) to make an Ulu, and possibly some kitchen knives.

Question: How do I cut it without ruining the temper of the steel at the area of the cut?

Question: If I actually work up the nerve to do this, should I send the blades off somewhere for heat treatng? and if so, at what point in the costruction process?

Question: If I do everything right, will it be worth the effort?:D

TIA for any advice!:)

Ben
 
Well.... I've searched, and most of what I can find is for using blades from circular saqws/ These are big, thick, heavy blades.

I'm looking atusind an old HANDSW, with a very thin blade that is made out of a very flexible steel. I've read that in the past, Eskimos made Ulu knves ot of these old handsaws.

has anyone here used them??:)

Ben
 
A hacksaw is all you really need for a handsaw.

I lived in the far north of Canada for a lot of years, now I'm just in the southern north of Canada. I've seen a LOT of hand made Ulu's. Own a fair number of them and have made a fair number of my own.

Usually Inuit (Eskimo is no longer politically correct) used circular saw blades by perference. Handsaw blades were used when they didn't have or couldn't get a circular saw blade. These were usually broken blades from log cutters, have to remember there was no electricity then and these were gas or disel units with big blades. 3ft plus in diameter some of them. Have to remember on the coast of the arctic there are no growing trees. These are drift logs they were cutting or they'd trade for the blades from those down in the trees or those building settlements along the coast.

Handsaws were more valuable in some ways back then. Plus the average person had one and could sharpen one with a file.

To cut a big circular saw blade, they would heat it up in a fire and take the temper out of it. Cut it with a hacksaw in the general shape then file it out. Sharpen it up some what then retemper it with a kerosene blow torch, a large coffee can or Klim can packed with sand was used as a oven. Even seen single burner coleman stoves a length of stove pipe as a duct and the same can technique used as ovens.

Handsaws are not usually detempered before cutting to shape. The are hardened afterwards. Often case hardened. Heat till red hot hold for a few mins then dunk in cold salt water. Then they will slowly heat but not red hot and hold for awhile then dunk. These are NOT great blades, just usable. Give them better steel and better conditions and they will make better Ulus. Their home built from saw blades are what they had at hand, and what they could afford. Don't see this being done much anymore.

Actually blank Ulu's in various sizes were available all over the north a few (20+) years ago. Steel was pretty crappy though. Dept of Economic Development had them produced in the thousands. I've got a few of the smaller blanks kicking around somewhere. One even got to the case hardening stage. I can't post pictures or I'd dig them out and borrow a camera.

Thing is with making Ulu's is that it requires a fair size piece of metal. 7 x 5 inches will make a fair size Ulu for kitchen work. Most knife supply places don't sell in the width one needs. Length no problem. So a circular saw blade does offer an alternative. Detemper it before cutting and use a diamond blade in a scrolling saw. Get it how you want then send it out for hardening or use the blow torch and sand packed can.
 
Boy there's a lot of confusion here.... QuietOned, look up case-hardening; it doesn't mean what you think it does.

I think a lot of the knifemakers have used old hand saws for stock; they should be able to help you.

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Clarification case hardening I didn't describe. That's usually done with charchol that is then packed into the large coffee can or Klim can. It's harder to do well. Gives a very hard outer surface and a softer inner core. Least to my understanding and very limited experience.

What I described in no real detail is how they would harden and temper the Ulu it's easier and do able by most people with a bit of practice. I've even seen modern electric ovens used to temper, hint don't quench in oil in your house!
 
Short answer - detemper the saw,cut out the blank,file/grind to nearly finished bevel,send out to have hardened,sand to a final finish.
Second question - no it is probably not worth the effort (especially since you don't know what steel the saw is).You can buy ulu and kitchen blanks from the knife supply companies.
 
Thank you very much, gentlemen. I think you've answered the question to my satisfaction.

:) I've decided to BUY the blanks, and know what I'm fooling around with!:)

Ben
 
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