Know anything about telescopes?

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My daughter is wanting a telescope for Christmas. I don't want to spend a small fortune, but I don't want her to have piece of crap that doesn't let her see anything cool.

What's a reasonable entry price for a decent telescope? Can I get her something worth having for a couple of hundred dollars?

Thanks for any suggestions/advice.
 
Best bang for the buck would be the Newtonian/Reflector or Dobsonian type. I would highly recommend sticking to Meade or Celestron.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_PRICE_2|0&ci=3390&N=4294541742

Some things to know.

Larger diameter means more light...which is good.

You will find out very quickly that cheap mounts/tripods are a special hell at high magnification.

The $500 scopes there that look like the $200 scopes are indeed quite a lot better.

Watch out if they include a GPS/computer as you will toss $200 at that vs improving the optics themselves. Some of the lower end pricing is a bit confusing.

Last tip, see if there is a local astronomy club, pop in and see if anyone is selling any entry level scopes. I could bet money they are and I got mine used at about half what it would have cost new, so $500 for a $1100 scope in my case.

If you are near a major city where the sky glows at night a 10" scope may not be to your advantage either...in those cases, sometimes a less 'bright' scope works better. A local club could answer that for you too.
 
How old is your daughter? What does she want to look at? The answers to those two questions will help narrow the field.

I have an OLD 5" Newtonian on a crappy equatorial mount that does yeoman's duty looking at the moon, Saturn (can see rings pretty well), Jupiter (see the spot), just fine. The system is fussy so my kids can't use it well and it requires my intervention. With some better eyepieces and mount, we could probably do better.

One thing to keep in mind was my primary disappointment as a kid. Stars don't look any different in a telescope, they're still just dots of light. Once you get good, though, a big Dobsonian will take you to galaxies and nebulae.

my $.02
J-
 
Telescopes are a tough gift. There's a lot of variables and people tend to lose interest in them when they are expecting to see images like the pictures on the web or in magazines. I like refractors for kids. They're a little more rugged and the eyepiece is lower. Kids like bright discernible images with color so I'd stick with the moon and planets at first. A cheap mount that judders at the lightest touch will quickly sap the enjoyment out of a session.

If you have a decent pair of binoculars, a reclining lawn chair and a smart phone, you can do some great viewing on the cheap. Load up Google Sky Map, search out some objects and sit back and enjoy the show. You can also get a feel for the level of interest the child has in the subject. If it ain't their cup of tea, it's still quality time spent and minimal expense.
 
Check out Orion also. Look 'em up on Google. I have three Orion scopes and all are A Nr 1 first class. Orion has quality scopes from $75 to $150,000. The latter price is for a 50 inch Dobsonian BTW which is 18 feet high. The last Meade I bought (and for a high price) turned out to be a piece of crap and it was like pulling walrus teeth to get Meade to back up their warranty. So now I stick with Orion, Celestron, or Vixen.

There are three basic types of scopes and they are:

1. Refractors. This is the long tube type with a larger 'objective' lens at the front end and a smaller eyepiece or viewing lens at the rear. You see cheap versions of these in department stores and advertised up to something like 600 power. Ain't so! If you divide the diameter of the objective by the focal length of the eyepiece, that's your max useable power. A 120mm objective, close to four inches, would give you about 200 power with reasonable resolution.

2. Cassegrain scopes. Maksutov, Schmidt-Cassegrain, Cadioptric, etc. These are scopes that bend the light back and forth between lenses and mirrors and thus pack a lot more focal length into a shorter tube. I have one Orion Maksutov that is 1900 mm focal length with a front lens that is 7.25 inches in diameter. Divide that 1900 by a 10mm eyepiece and you have 190 power; 5mm and you have 380 power, about max for this scope. BTW, the absolute maximum reasonably decent resolution in terms of magnifying power ANY quality scope can provide is about 50 power per inch of objective lens (or mirror) diameter. Therefore, an eight inch scope, 400 power, six inch, 300, and so on.

3. Newtonian (or Dobsonian) reflectors. These have two mirrors, one parabolic fairly large mirror at the bottom of a tube facing up and a smaller mirror set at an angle near the open top of the tube. Dobs are optically and mechanically simple but one of the best and least expensive scopes. The Mount Palomar and most other large observatory scopes are reflectors. The light from whatever you''re viewing comes in at the open top of the tube and past the 'spider' there that is the mount for the small secondary mirror. The light impinges on the large parabolic mirror at the bottom of the tube and is concentrated and reflected back up to the secondary mirror. The secondary bends the light at a right angle and into an eyepiece and focuser mounted on the outside near the tube top.

I have a 12 inch primary mirror Orion Dob mounted in a six foot long tube and cradled in what's called a 'Go-To' mount. The tube pivots up and down and the base revolves so the scope can be pointed in any direction. This is easy to do manually. In mine, the Go-To is shorthand for a motorized and computerized system which can locate and then track objects in space once a couple of known stars are centered and the info entered into the computer.

'Dobsonian' or Dob, BTW, refers to a Mr. Dobson, a San Francisco gentleman in his middle 90s who came up with an ingenious method of mounting the scope tube of a Newtonian reflector. He used to lead (maybe he still does) a group called the 'sidewalk astronomers' in San Fran. He and the members ground their own mirrors and fabricated their Dob mounts.

Final comment. I have a current Orion catalog here on my desk as I'm typing this. It lists a table top 'Newt' reflector with Dob type base, 100 mm primary mirror (almost 4 inches) and 400 mm focal length. The price is $99.95. Something like this should give you about 200 power so nothing to sneeze at and certainly a great first scope for a child. The table tops are popular because they're smaller and easy to use from a picnic table in the yard, from the porch, etc.

Hope this helps and isn't too long winded for you.
 
My son wanted a nicer telescope than what he had and we ended up with a Orion StarBlast 6 Reflector. Cost was $250, and we also purchased a accessory kit with a couple of eyepieces and filters. This scope performs like a much larger telescope. Easy to use, lightweight, no tripod needed. Our first scope was a Meade GoTo model and while it was ok in quaility, it is not as easy to use as advertised. The go to feature will direct you to what is available to see in the night sky with decent accuracy, but it ended up just being a pain to use for my son. (He was 9 or 10 when we bought it.) Stay with something inexpensive and if your interest continues to grow you can always upgrade.
 
I'm surprised no one asked what the telescope is going to be used for. Do you want a spotting scope for the range? Or is your daughter into astronomy? How big a factor is portability? What are you going to mount it on? If you want it to track celestial bodies, then you are going to need an alt-azimuth mount. But, that takes time to line up. If she is into star watching, I would recommend you look up your local sidewalk astronomers club. They showed me how to to make my own mirrors and telescope for free. Your daughter would learn a lot in the process.
 
If $500 is in range, this is a newer company, Vixen, that makes a nice scope for the price point.

http://www.universetoday.com/35759/...-and-portamount-ii-right-in-the-comfort-zone/

Followed a link in that article and found this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001KW07Q4...iveASIN=B001KW07Q4&adid=1BMJ4ADYVB7CD6D70BP9&

I'm also looking for a telescope for that price.

Does anyone know what the tripod attachment looks like on a scope like this? Does it attach to a tripod with a bolt (1/4") like a camera?

I have a good (and heavy) tripod and a couple tripod heads that will handle that weight no problem (especially since a telescope balances better than a camera), but I'm not sure if I would be able to mount the telescope to the tripod heads.
 
Briefly, unless your camera tripod was for a large sheet film style camera, even though it may seem heavy, it won't be nearly heavy enough for astronomy. Truly the very smallest vibration translates directly to the view port.

I'm unsure though if that scope uses a 1/4" thread, maybe the manuf site will have docs on it.

That same scope with one of its optional mounts is about double the price.

Though you *could* build something out of wood and sandbag it down temporarily until the budget permits for the upgraded mounts. The ease and precision of movement in the 'proper' mounts is another key piece to it all. At high magnification you need a very fine thread screw to 'chase' an object along as the earth rotates while you view it.
 
Another vote for Orion.

Don't attempt to get a telescope that doubles as a spotting scope; just won't work well for either.

If your daughter is younger than 13, I would consider getting a table-top Dobsonian from Orion. You would spend somewhere between $50 and $200.

Smaller kids want a few minutes here and there looking at the sky.
Dobsonians are great for that.

I take mine to the deer pasture and the kids love looking at the moon, jupiter, saturn, etc.

A good way to spend some fun time with your kids.

M.
 
For tripods and mounts, look up the Orion site and go to it. It's well laid out and easy to navigate. A lot of the heavier scopes use a bar with angled edges bolted axially to the scope's tube. This 'bar' slips into a mating fitting atop the tripod and is then clamped in place with two sizeable screws. As one of the posters mentioned, a scope needs to be balanced and the bar/clamp system allows one to do that. One of my cassegrains that mounts this way weighs nearly 30 pounds so balance and counterweights are critical.
 
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