Kobra VS Snakehead ala Pappy

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It aint happened yet, but we're still trying here. 'Ok, Boys," I say, "If you're good we'll hop into Blue Truck and go looking for a Rattlesnake this afternoon."

Even the Two Year Old starts chanting, "Blue Truck, Blue Truck, Blue Truck."

I don't remember how many times I asked Pappy which khuk to get for snakes. He liked the Sirupatis. The 18" swung faster but the 20" was the one he liked best because the extra 2" length just seemed to make the difference between safety and chance.

If my memory is correct, in his last months Pappy had a 18" Kobra. In theory, the Kobras should do best of all against snakes. They swing fast, and the lack of mass is not important when the resistance is a snake head.

When I was in Reno, Yangdu placed an 18" Kobra in my hand, and it swung like an extension of my arm. Perhaps I should have stopped right there, but Pappy's belief in two more inches led me to a 20" Kobra. This was Sher built and tough- and it weighed about 25 oz.

If any Kobra should cut wood this was it. And I've tried. Yes, it will cut smaller branches. But the design of the Kobra is not for wood. Yes, I know many of you have received good service on select tasks with this instrument, such as vines and bushy undergrowth. I would use a Kobra for no more.
Without the mass forward it bounces off more substancial targets.

The Old Hands are right when they look to a length weight ratio of a pure martial blade at little over an oz to an inch.

I've called three machine shops in Montana and none of them are set up to remove metal from the Kobra. If I could get two lightening cuts on each side of the forward blade, I think I'd have the perfect snake getter. Tough as Sher can, but with a few oz's less even faster than it is today. Oh, it's fast enough for a snake.

Stories of Rattlesnakes striking at the bullet shot towards them are so much malarky. They aren't that fast, even on a hot day.

Many times we've loaded the PickUp to look for snakes. We've not seen a single one- other than the King Rattler by the NDN cave, which is off limits. I think the late season snowstorm might have finished off many Rattlers caught out in the open. We usually find several crawling across the dirst roads, but this year none.

By the Way- those of you wanting to call Bura's new Kobra the "Viper" have it wrong, IMHO. It looks more like a real Cobra with it's hood out in warning and anger than even the original Kobra Khuk. If anything, the name should stay within the Cobra snake line- be the most dangerous Cobra species. Be that King Cobra or what I do not know.


munk
 
My wood handled 22" Kobra , hanging just inside my garage door, has several notches on it. Cuts the snakes head off clean as a whistle. Forgot the Kami, but the mark is the Nepali Flag.
 
Last Flag owner was Kesar. I forgot who he got that from but it wasn't murali.


munk
 
All we have right where I live are copperheads. We never see them in the woods, usually just around the creek, and they don't hurt anyone there so we just leave them. There are some timber rattlers in the mountains here, but for some reason that nobody knows why, less of them than when I was a kid.

In our extreme southern counties there are several snake handling churches. WV is one of the few(the only?) state where snake handling in church is legal. Land of the free! ;)

Munk,

Don't know about rattlers, but for sure copperheads aren't too fast. My friend has had them strike at his hand and pulled it back faster than they could hit it. :eek:

http://www.chuckconner.com/serpenthandling1.htm
 
If I remember, the Copperhead is fairly docile. The human being is as fast as most critters on the planet when properly motivated. Most rattler bites are recieved to people who were drunk and messing around with the snake- that's a fact.

According to the Crocodile Hunter, Timber Rattlers are disapearing.

The good news is I'm not sure if Timber Rattler isn't just a Western Rattlesnake who happens to live in the higher elevation wooded areas.

And I'm not worried about one small variation Rattler. Life goes on. We have enough Rattlers. If you've ever lived in a place with a realistic chance of losing the life of one of your small children, or even yourself due to being so far from help, then you understand why many people kills Rattlers on sight.

And the, "this was their home first" discussion is infantile. Anywhere we choose to hang our hats is our home. Rattler get out of the way.

I just wish I could remember who had the Nepali flag before Kesar. Wasn't there someone between Murali and Kesar?

munk


munk
 
King Kobra is good

Hooded Kobra
Kobra Max
MaddMax

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Bura's King Kobra.

What's the name of the Cobra in Africa that is real long, thick, and mean tempered?



munk
 
His name is Alfred...

Wait a minute...you mean the *kind* of Cobra...sorry, no idea.
 
lcs37 said:
My wood handled 22" Kobra , hanging just inside my garage door, has several notches on it. Cuts the snakes head off clean as a whistle. Forgot the Kami, but the mark is the Nepali Flag.

Depends on when it was made. Apparently Durba used the flag until about Feb.2002. Thereafter, Murali nad Kesar used the flag.

Tom
 
hollowdweller said:
In our extreme southern counties there are several snake handling churches. WV is one of the few(the only?) state where snake handling in church is legal. Land of the free! ;)
In East Kaintuck there are church members that handle snakes too. Don't know if it is legal or not. I don't think they really care either.
 
munk said:
If I remember, the Copperhead is fairly docile. The human being is as fast as most critters on the planet when properly motivated. Most rattler bites are recieved to people who were drunk and messing around with the snake- that's a fact.

According to the Crocodile Hunter, Timber Rattlers are disapearing.

The good news is I'm not sure if Timber Rattler isn't just a Western Rattlesnake who happens to live in the higher elevation wooded areas.

And I'm not worried about one small variation Rattler. Life goes on. We have enough Rattlers. If you've ever lived in a place with a realistic chance of losing the life of one of your small children, or even yourself due to being so far from help, then you understand why many people kills Rattlers on sight.


munk


munk

Actually the copperheads I have been around have been more agressive than the rattlesnakes. Or maybe I should rephrase that. The copperheads have a tendency to stay put when you are around so more of a chance of stepping on them. Most of the rattlesnakes I have seen "jump" almost like a deer.

I'd never kill a snake in a wilderness area or something even though it is far out unless I had to, or here if I just saw it out in the woods. However in a heavily traveled area where somebody is likely to get bit I would. We used to party on this big rock formation that was a copperhead den when I was a teenager and since we were there stoned most of the time we'd always kill them cause they were right where we hung.

Most of the people I know who have been bit were around the house, or berry picking.
 
I had a copperhead crawl within inches of my feet once while I was sitting stone still turkey hunting. After it crawled by I promptly lost interest in the hunt. I had some laundry that needed cleaning. :D
 
Rough Guide to Kami marks:

Here's a pic of my flag-based kami marks. All were taken from the same point of view with the handle at the bottom. The Kesars were purchased in February and March of 2002. The Durba was relatively older, I don't know when it was made. The Muralis were purchased within the last 4 months, with the initials as well.

As you can see, the Kesar "flagpole" is oriented toward the cutting edge, flag tips toward the bolster, on the left side of the knife if viewed in the chopping position. The marks seem made of single strikes for each line. The flag is made up of almost equilateral triangles.

The Durba flag is oriented the same way, but is relatively smaller (the scale of the GRS throws it off a little). The lines are made up of small marks in a row. The flag is slightly different as the chevrons overlap and are closer to right-angle 3-4-5 triangles.

The Murali flagpoles are toward the bolster, with the flag tips towards the cutting edge, on the right side of the knife. The marks seem made of single strikes, but the chevrons are right-angle triangles but are not overlapped.


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On my Kobra the Flag is on the left side, Flag points pointing toward cutting edge, pole staff toward bolster, almost touching bolster. NO Kami initials, at all. Still researching as to when I bought it. Well, over a 100 purchases and my printed out records got ruined by a water leak and my computer record was lost by computer upgrade. Upon trying to reconstruct the Khukuri list, I only have the kami mark and the price I paid for it, with other descriptions, but no purchase date. I would estimate sometime 2003/2003.
 
Stepping on a Copperhead and being bitten does not qualify the snake as aggressive.

Timber rattlers have a reputation of irritability- but I don't know. A lot depends upon where and when. The Southern Pacific in my experience is very excitable though you couldn't say aggressive. The Mojave Green will hold it's ground and back off slowly. The Western Rattler will move out of your way. It's important to know 'Western Rattler' is the base species for half the darn sub titles. But things change- they are finding neurotoxin in the Southern Pacific's venom like that of the Mojave Green. (crossbreeding?) And the Southern Pacific is nothing more than an extra fat version of the Western Rattlesnake.

As you know, the trouble with the strategy of hide, lay still and hope the Big Farmer doesn't see me coiled on the ground is when Big Farmer steps on you. Then you bite. Course, if you give warning the way a good rattler should, the Big Farmer shoots you or cuts your body into a million peices with his hoe. And there's an ugly rumor of a crooked- forward blade being used against all in the snake community. What will these humans think of next?

There are only two rattlers according to the Audubon Field manual that are aggressive- the Western and Eastern Diamondbacks. They will stand their ground and will not yeild. They are also the largest pit vipers in the US. I've had no real experience with either.

I've seen some Western Diamondbacks, but not close enough to get aquainted. And I'll always remember the large dead one by the side of the road. Must of been a real brute- there were slabs of meat big as chicken breasts everywhere.

munk
 
The Mamba will chase people- and so will a certain Cobra in Africa. Can you imagine being chased by a god darnned snake??!!!

Jeese. I'd want a special snake gun- shooting a canister of bb's at 1900 fps. What am I saying? A good pump shotgun will take care of Mr Mamba, Mr Western Diamondback, and that pesky Funnel Web Spider near Sidney Aus. Better have the extended mag, though. I want at least 8 shells backing me up. Some of these snakes are fast.


munk
 
In Peter Capsticks books he always ranks the deadliest man eatters in Africa. If I remember right, the mamba was pretty close to the top, not bad in a land of lions, elephants and leopards. The only shotguns for me are A5's, the first autoloaders and still the best :) .
 
Dunno Jebadiah,

Recently noticed that, completely by accident, both of my pump shotguns have (or lack) a feature which allows you to hold the trigger back and just pump away.

First gun, circa 1963, used for $40: Winchester 97, 30in, full, 12 ga.

One about ten years ago, purchased from a local sheriff's sale ( I do love Wisconsin!), very used for $57.00 : Ithaca 37, 20 inch, open, extended mag. D/S Police Special Featherweight, 12 ga.

Funny, I don't have to aim the 97. I've had it since I was 18. I just carry it. Somehow, when game appears it seems to shoot itself.

Things can go wrong with them semi-automatics, I hear.

For snakes, makes no difference in Wisconsin. This year's biggest problem was Young Bert, the not-right dog, thinking he was Rikki-Tikki-Tavi. He grabbed one rat/corn snake before I could get to him and proceeded to turn his head into a propeller: thwap, thwap, thwap, thwap, thwap. Poor snake. No need for it to die. That dog ain't right. He'd be dead in rattlesnake country. :(

Kis
We have so much :\


http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/usr/mongoose/www/rtt.html
 
Y'all wanna be goldarned careful cutting off snake's heads! By cutting off the head you may inadvertently sling it off to parts unknown.
If there are any people in the way the dead snake head can still bite the person it may come in contact with.:eek:
That could be devastating to you and yours!!!!:(

Please Be Very Careful!!!!
 
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