Koenig Arius v. Ferrum Forge Archbishop 2.0

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Kind of torn between these two. They strike me as similar, have both gotten very positive receptions, and both have been reviewed very favorably. The Archbishop 2.0 is made by WE as a production version and is therefore roughly half the price of the Arius. I'd be particularly interested in hearing from anyone who owns, or has owned, both, but all informed opinions are welcome.
 
I have to admit, I don't see the Koenig being worth twice the price of the FF. I love both XHP and M390. The Koenig color splashes (backspacer, screws, etc) are nice tho.

I'd go FF and spend the other $300 on another toy. I'm also known for being ... frugal. YMMV.

Either way, congrats, you are getting a great knife!
 
I'm very curious too. I have the Archbishop 2.0 and I'm loving it. Action is great. I love the style. Very functional. Feels great in the hand. Locks solid.

I want to try an Arius to compare, but then again feel like the Archbishop feels great and can fill that niche just fine. Maybe I dont need another larger folder.
 
My only experience with the Arius are the several I held at BLADE, and have to say that I don't like anything about that particular knife. The FF Archbishop is something I'd appreciate, and might even purchase if it were made here. The Archbishop is what I'd choose either way if I had to choose between the two.
 
Have had both and my Archbishop had just as good action as the Koenig and cut 3x better. Love the Arius, and everyone shouldn't one if the blade style appeals to you. Me, I preferred the pointer blade of the Bishop as more of my tasks require piercing to start cuts.

Have neither now but will get another Bishop again when the right one pops up.
 
It'll boil down to preference.

Either knife will serve and serve well. I'd give the nod to Koenig for overall quality, price not considered. That price is a big factor. To some, hundreds of dollars is huge, to others it's not.

The Arius is the better knife, if you can afford it and you like what it offers.
 
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My only experience with the Arius are the several I held at BLADE, and have to say that I don't like anything about that particular knife. The FF Archbishop is something I'd appreciate, and might even purchase if it were made here. The Archbishop is what I'd choose either way if I had to choose between the two.
Different strokes, etc...but would be interested in knowing what it is about the Arius that you don't like? If you want to contrast with the Archbishop, that would be helpful too. Thanks.
 
Different strokes, etc...but would be interested in knowing what it is about the Arius that you don't like? If you want to contrast with the Archbishop, that would be helpful too. Thanks.

Well, for one thing, every knife on Bill's table was too expensive. It was the complete opposite of most other tables where buying there at BLADE netted the buyer a discount of some kind, rather than being charged more. They had one of the regular models, stonewash Ti, colored lanyard loop/backspacer, 20cv blade, and they wanted something like $780 for it. There was also one of the blue twill scale models, with a price tag of $800+ (I think it was actually higher, just can't recall the specific number because I was too busy laughing) What? Hard pass. I remember when DLT had that exact knife for $600, and that was recently!! Secondly, it just looks entirely too much like some of the more outlandish We/Reate designs. Oddly shaped handle, and overall, it just felt off in my hand. I didn't like it. Also, there were a few of the non-flipper tab models on the table, and I absolutely did not understand those at all. No flipper tab...and then no scalloping in the scale in order to have easy access to the hole in the blade? Again, hard pass. The scales on either side were thick and flat that you're essentially left with either Spyder-flicking it, or else grabbing onto the blade and hole and flicking the knife open that way. No idea. I was standing there for a couple of minutes trying to open the knife with my thumb, while Bill was standing there. I shook my head, set it down, and moved on. All of this said, I'm definitely not trying to trash this maker, because hey, glad to see an American maker putting out high-end knives for people that like them. I'm just not the target market for that particular knife. I didn't like them at DLT prices, definitely didn't like 'em at BLADE show prices. I know that those folks who love them, really love them, and to that I say, good for those folks. Thankfully there are companies/makers on the knife scene to satisfy virtually anyone. I should also add that I'm really glad to have had the opportunity to handle them here instead of just purchasing one online like I'd been on the verge of doing in the past, because I figured with all the hubbub I must be missing something. Turns out, I'm not.

As for the Archbishop, I don't love that it's a Chinese made knife*, but I DO respect that it's a reasonable price for an M390 bladed knife with a design that speaks much more to actual use. The handle shape, the useful choil (I have big hands and like knives with a choil) and the design that speaks to simple fitment into the hand, it's a nice looking knife. Secondly, I really like the blade shape over that of the Arius. The Archbishop, if I'm being honest actually immediately recalls all the things I enjoy about older knives like the early ZT Hinderer models, and the XM models themselves, come to think of it. Hell, it even brings to mind the classic Olamic Wayfarer**. Simple, useful design. I actually was on the verge of purchasing a FF knife multiple times at the show. The thing that I personally (again, that caveat) do not like about FF is that it's not instantly recognizable to me which is an actual FF custom knife made here, and which is an outsourced We/Reate/Kizer (I have no idea who's making them for FF) knife. I would hate to have a seller snake me into purchasing an import when I thought I was purchasing a full custom. I'm sure though, that is probably more of a "me problem" as those who are well versed in FF knives can probably tell right off the bat. I can't. This is a reason why I don't like Gavko knives that much either, for the record.

Anyway, sorry for the novel length response, I had some time to kill on a slow afternoon!

*For those who have a problem with my POV, save it, no one's changing any minds today! :D

**Full disclosure: I'm a huge watercarrier for Olamic Cutlery, who plays in this same market space, but I feel that for the same money (literally!) you get a lot more for that dollar. That's just me.
 
Well, for one thing, every knife on Bill's table was too expensive. It was the complete opposite of most other tables where buying there at BLADE netted the buyer a discount of some kind, rather than being charged more. They had one of the regular models, stonewash Ti, colored lanyard loop/backspacer, 20cv blade, and they wanted something like $780 for it. There was also one of the blue twill scale models, with a price tag of $800+ (I think it was actually higher, just can't recall the specific number because I was too busy laughing) What? Hard pass. I remember when DLT had that exact knife for $600, and that was recently!! Secondly, it just looks entirely too much like some of the more outlandish We/Reate designs. Oddly shaped handle, and overall, it just felt off in my hand. I didn't like it. Also, there were a few of the non-flipper tab models on the table, and I absolutely did not understand those at all. No flipper tab...and then no scalloping in the scale in order to have easy access to the hole in the blade? Again, hard pass. The scales on either side were thick and flat that you're essentially left with either Spyder-flicking it, or else grabbing onto the blade and hole and flicking the knife open that way. No idea. I was standing there for a couple of minutes trying to open the knife with my thumb, while Bill was standing there. I shook my head, set it down, and moved on. All of this said, I'm definitely not trying to trash this maker, because hey, glad to see an American maker putting out high-end knives for people that like them. I'm just not the target market for that particular knife. I didn't like them at DLT prices, definitely didn't like 'em at BLADE show prices. I know that those folks who love them, really love them, and to that I say, good for those folks. Thankfully there are companies/makers on the knife scene to satisfy virtually anyone. I should also add that I'm really glad to have had the opportunity to handle them here instead of just purchasing one online like I'd been on the verge of doing in the past, because I figured with all the hubbub I must be missing something. Turns out, I'm not.

As for the Archbishop, I don't love that it's a Chinese made knife*, but I DO respect that it's a reasonable price for an M390 bladed knife with a design that speaks much more to actual use. The handle shape, the useful choil (I have big hands and like knives with a choil) and the design that speaks to simple fitment into the hand, it's a nice looking knife. Secondly, I really like the blade shape over that of the Arius. The Archbishop, if I'm being honest actually immediately recalls all the things I enjoy about older knives like the early ZT Hinderer models, and the XM models themselves, come to think of it. Hell, it even brings to mind the classic Olamic Wayfarer**. Simple, useful design. I actually was on the verge of purchasing a FF knife multiple times at the show. The thing that I personally (again, that caveat) do not like about FF is that it's not instantly recognizable to me which is an actual FF custom knife made here, and which is an outsourced We/Reate/Kizer (I have no idea who's making them for FF) knife. I would hate to have a seller snake me into purchasing an import when I thought I was purchasing a full custom. I'm sure though, that is probably more of a "me problem" as those who are well versed in FF knives can probably tell right off the bat. I can't. This is a reason why I don't like Gavko knives that much either, for the record.

Anyway, sorry for the novel length response, I had some time to kill on a slow afternoon!

*For those who have a problem with my POV, save it, no one's changing any minds today! :D

**Full disclosure: I'm a huge watercarrier for Olamic Cutlery, who plays in this same market space, but I feel that for the same money (literally!) you get a lot more for that dollar. That's just me.
Great and very helpful answer. Many thanks. I won’t tell you that you made a sale for FF/WE, but...:D
 
Arius all the way. Im not a huge fan of the design myself but it's quality in and out. I'm not the person for the models he makes but I do like the quality of them alot and hope some day he makes a model I will like.

I don't like ffkw knives at all and I'm not huge on we knives either, but WE knives do make some nice models/designs. But they are basic knives with basic heat treatment. Good action usually but can varie in detent and qc from knife to knife.

The Arius will have the better heat treatment, quality, action... Actually better everything.

If your just into designs just get what you like.

But i rather have m390,204p,20cv with a good heat treatment than m390 at 58hrc from China. I would highly recommend anything that reate makes over both of these. Cause I like the designs more and they do a great ht and sharpen them under water to not burn the edges.
 
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The new Archbishop looks like a very nice knife and worth its price. I've heard this is some of WE's best work. It's a bit smaller overall than the Arius although possibly heavier, depending on configurations, and its cutting edge is shorter. It might take up less space in the pocket.

The Arius clearly is more expensive. Mine cost $500 last year, and the base models are still $550-600, but that's a lot more than the Archbishop, so a direct comparison may not be fair. The Arius is my favorite knife that I own, for many reasons: it's the best of all my knives in handle comfort, quality of construction, and overall action, and the blade shape is useful and unique, great for slicing or hard use. It's not cheap, but I prefer the Arius over many knives that are much more expensive. And Koenig's service is hard to beat, in my experience.

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I was considering the Arius too but i guess ill move it to the 'need to handle first' list...
If the Archbishop is anything like my Fortis 2 i'm sure the action is amazing.
 
Just wanted to pop back in to say that I ended up buying an Archbishop 2.0 on the Exchange (thanks atony atony ). While I just got it yesterday and haven’t cut anything yet, I will say that in every respect by which I can judge it, it’s remarkable. I love the size, heft (neither light nor heavy), ergos, action, craftsmanship of both design and manufacture, and value for money. I may still try an Arius at some point but it’s going to be really, really, hard to justify paying 3X the price of the Archbishop 2.0:thumbsup:
 
Just wanted to pop back in to say that I ended up buying an Archbishop 2.0 on the Exchange (thanks atony atony ). While I just got it yesterday and haven’t cut anything yet, I will say that in every respect by which I can judge it, it’s remarkable. I love the size, heft (neither light nor heavy), ergos, action, craftsmanship of both design and manufacture, and value for money. I may still try an Arius at some point but it’s going to be really, really, hard to justify paying 3X the price of the Archbishop 2.0:thumbsup:


I have another just like the one I sold you. The action will only get better, mine is extremely smooth. FFKW and WE did a outstanding job with these!
 
Just wanted to pop back in to say that I ended up buying an Archbishop 2.0 on the Exchange (thanks atony atony ). While I just got it yesterday and haven’t cut anything yet, I will say that in every respect by which I can judge it, it’s remarkable. I love the size, heft (neither light nor heavy), ergos, action, craftsmanship of both design and manufacture, and value for money. I may still try an Arius at some point but it’s going to be really, really, hard to justify paying 3X the price of the Archbishop 2.0:thumbsup:

I'm glad you're happy with your new purchase! It's always great when you get a knife and it's what you were looking for. Can't beat that feeling.
 
I'm glad you're happy with your new purchase! It's always great when you get a knife and it's what you were looking for. Can't beat that feeling.
Thanks. It’s a great feeling, especially when contrasted with the feeling you get when one shows up and the reaction is “oh man, this sucks.” I’ve had that more than once and it really, well, sucks. I usually take a while to decide on a purchase and feel kind of invested by the time I get it in hand. It’s great to feel like it’s what you hoped it would be.:D
 
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