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Hi,i dont know if this is the right place to post this,so feel free to delete me.I was just wondering if anyone could give me some imformation about this kukri
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such as age etc.

I was also wondering is HI sells antique kukris?
 
Welcome Robert. I don't know if we'll get you the help you want, but there are some people on the forum who ought to know about this kind of thing. Uncle has probably turned in for the night, but he'll be along in the morning, and we have some UK people as well as a really sharp and knowlegeable collector or two. If they can't help, they ought to be able to tell you whom to contact such as places like Oriental Arms.

H. I. is a modern arun or shop devoted to producing the kind of khukuris made by I guess you'd call them the master kamis/ bladesmiths in the past, but seldom seen outside the villages blacksmithies anymore. Most khuks seen nowadays are mass produced sweatshop tourist class work. H. I. on the other hand wants to produce true traditional blades to keep the art of making them alive, to keep a supply of true khukuris available for the user and collector who insists on the real thing. It is very interested in antiques, but mainly as examples of the art that it's masters can study and learn from.

Could you read out and post the engraved message on the scabbard? Uncle Bill or John Powell would probably find it helpful.

Please listen up here! I have no business doing this, but I'm going to take a chance at making a double rear-ended jackass of myself ( remember the 1967 movie of "Doctor Doolittle" that had a llama like push-me/pull-you with two front ends? ) and do a lot of guessing. Remember the old TV show "Cheers" where Cliffie the Postal Worker knew the answer to everything - OK, the advice you're gonna get from me is worth what you paid for it and is just as accurate as Cliffie's pontificating.

I'd say it looks like quality and as if it has a balance to it. The horn to bolster to blade fit looks very nicely done, as does the horn to buttcap. No appearance of horn shrinkage or cracking, but maybe a ding or two from wear or carrying though mated to a well made but not flashy scabbard. The handle looks fairly short length behind the rings, so probably made to Nepali sized hands. The thing that interests me is whether this blade has been refinished from about the center of a nicely done cho forward ( someone help me here please - if it's original why the greater than usual disparity between finishes? ) . The area where the two finishes meet suggests a Gelbu type fullering in the center of the blade. Looks like beautifully proportioned and elegant blade lines.

If I ran into a British double rifle like this it would probably be a piece made by a better or best quality maker for for the Army/Navy stores and of that ( Army/Navy ) grade high quality innards but and fairly high but less than perfect external finish.

I've already said that I don't know what I'm talking about. But now I've shot my mouth off, the knowlegeable folks can start ventilating my guesses and correcting my ass-u-me(ptions) and we may all learn something.

Thank you for posting the picture, and again welcome to Uncle Bill's Star Wars Cantina and Stage Stop. Pull up a chair by the cracker barrel and set a spell. It's kind like being a new patient in the mental ward of the hospital - won't take long until what the other inmates say starts to make perfect sense to you. Trust me...
 
Very interesting. I really like the lines of the khuk. I hope our resident experts can help you with some answers. I'm looking forward to seeing what they've got to say.
 
Couple other questions. The bolster appears brass. Can't tell about the buttcap. Why wouldn't they be nickle If they were made to match the scabbard - did the scabbard come later? Also areas of silver on wood, as if overspray of metal. Is this silver being carried off the metal and onto wood thru cleaning. OH well....

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The knife seems higher quality than the scabbard.The 'silver' on the wood is from movement of the bottom band,which is loose,maybe from being carried by the chain?The little plaque says 'presented by sgt and mrs chanrurai'Oh yeah,its alot smaller than it looks in the pic (to me anyway)Probably 14-15 inches overall
 
Let me see if I can learn something here. Most of the times I've seen a Nepali cho with the exceptions of the eye chos, the point inside the circle is triangular, like a piece cut from a pie. They don't seem to worry too much about the part shape or finish that much. The Indian khuks have a more finished cho with a squarish or rectangular part sticking into the cho's center. sides parallel, square angles. Salyan is the only similar Nepali style cho. The salyan province is one having a longer border with India?

Though Indian, you indicated in the past that many India village kamis do excellent work. Would this be one of them? Are they mostly near Nepal, or can they go from a half circle starting in the Northwest territories near kashmir and the Sikhs down thru bengal and burma along the Indian border? Are good khuks made outside these border areas?

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"They asked would I fight for my country, I answered the FBI, yea!
"I will point a gun for my country but, I won't guarantee you which way!"
Woody Guthrie


Himalayan Imports Website

[This message has been edited by Rusty (edited 06-06-2000).]
 
Robert, as I said in the other forum you have a nice example of yet another type of kothimora.
The inscription would indicate it was a personal gift (vs a regimental or honorary piece) from a regimental/brigade NCO (and wife) to his officer.
Very charming piece indeed and probably from the 1920-30s.

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JP
 
John,
You're probably right. After taking a second look, the raised ring sets too far back of center on the handle as exemlified by older khukuries. Most Indian post WW2 that I have seen have the raised ring centered and larger. Although I would be hesitant to date it any earlier than the late '30s without a better look at the blade. Judging only by what I can see in the above picture, I would have to say that this appears to be an Indian version of the Franklin Mint.
Dan
 
Dan,
It wasn't just the grip, it was as much the scabbard and type of engraving on the plaque. This really is such a typical style khukuri the age could have been earlier and could also be Nepalese made.
The scabbard is probably the original frame recovered to become a presentation piece.
As I keep saying, there are few really hard and fast rules when it comes to determining the origin of these knives.

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JP
 
Robert, forgive me but I didn't answer your question in the original post. See what happens when you give me a pictuure to look at?

HI sometimes but very rarely offers an antique khukuri. There are too many top notch counterfeits around and it is very difficult to tell the difference between real and a nicely executed fake.

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Thanks for all the replys!The above kukri was the first ive bought since the cold steel ltc.I got it because i liked its looks and not much else.One of my problems (and soon to be a big advantage for you!) is that the internet has made me a huge impulse buyer.I like what i see,i usually buy it.look for an order real soon.
 
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