KW CF Satin M4 PM2

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Maybe this one deserves a separate thread? 800 pieces in total, retails at $220, and ships 4/3. Who is in for one or maybe two? It's a bit pricey especially when compared to the limited edition cf 52100 PM2 ($177) and BHQ exclusive DLC M4 jade g10 PM2 ($175). Maybe it has sth to do with the ridiculous secondary market price of the initial run plus this year's new Spyderco pricing?
 
I was thinking the exact same thing. This one might be out of my price range...
I just picked one up recently from the original run for cheaper.

Edit: Anyone remember the price on the original run?
 
cashville said:
I was thinking the exact same thing. This one might be out of my price range...
I just picked one up recently from the original run for cheaper
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Well, if we look at ZT 0562 which is a production knife with s35vn steel (lesser than M4?) and g10 scale (lesser than cf for sure but does have the ti lock side) and retails at $200, this dealer exclusive PM2's price is not unreasonable. It's just when you compare it to other sprint runs / dealer exclusives of PM2, it becomes a bit pricey.
 
Agreed. In their defense, this will likely still sell out faster than any of their other exclusives excluding maybe the original run.
 
cashville said:
I was thinking the exact same thing. This one might be out of my price range...
I just picked one up recently from the original run for cheaper.

Edit: Anyone remember the price on the original run?
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Just looked up my receipt from the original run and it is the same price (good on them for not raising the price). The last time KW released this knife it was right after the BHQ Satin M4 PM2, kind of funny they're doing it again, right after the release of the BHQ DLC M4 PM2 this time. They should give it a few weeks, give people time to catch their breath.
 
Yep, just checked my receipt for the original run. It was $219.95 so the price is the same. I absolutely adore the knife, it’s been my most carried knife since I got it.

If you’re a fan of carbon steel, or if you want a tougher “user” knife, I cannot recommend this exclusive highly enough.
 
I was so close to ordering one this morning when I ordered my 2nd Millie in 204p. Haven't tried M4 yet. Very tempted! What say you BladeForums???
 
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Reddington said:
I was so close to ordering one this morning when I ordered my 2nd Millie in 204p. Haven't tried M4 yet. Very tempted! What say you BladeForums???
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It’s amazing steel so long as you don’t mind non stainless.

Bladesports comp is dominated by M4 and I heard some had 52100 blades as well
 
Reddington said:
I was so close to ordering one this morning when I ordered my 2nd Millie in 204p. Haven't tried M4 yet. Very tempted! What say you BladeForums???
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I say go for it. I’ve had mine almost two years and I’ve never had problems with rust. You owe it to yourself to give m4 a try in my opinion.
 
This made my night after ordering a para3 maxamet a week ago just to have knife center email today and say it's back ordered so I canceled and also bought a kw cf/ti s90 Millie sold it cause it was to big and was literally about to buy a hinderer off the exchange and I looked in here. I regret selling my last one and the cf blows the natural g10 bladehq stuff out of the water
 
Wondering what is different about this M4 bladed Para 2, and the 52100 bladed Para 2?

Both have carbon fiber scales and a type of "tool" steel, yet there is a $45 price difference?

What am I missing?
 
sn0wman72 said:
Wondering what is different about this M4 bladed Para 2, and the 52100 bladed Para 2?

Both have carbon fiber scales and a type of "tool" steel, yet there is a $45 price difference?

What am I missing?
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52100 has approx 1% carbon and just a bit of chromium ( 1.30-1.60 ). I find it sharpens up pretty quickly and holds a decent working edge, but is prone to rust and pitting if it is not dried and maintained after use. M4 has more carbon...1.4%....and hence has excellent wear resistance and good toughness . As well, M4 has slightly more chromium ( about 4%), and while that is not nearly enough to give it any stainless properties, it seems to be enough to make for a blade that will stain, spot and turn grey, but not form rust as quickly as 52100. You can't leave it sitting in a wet sink overnight, however.

But to get to the heart of your question, 52100 is a ball bearing steel, and if I'm not mistaken I think Latrobe/Carpenter and Niagara all produce it. The M4 used by Spyderco is Crucible's CPM (Crucible Particle Metallurgy) process. M4 is a versatile high-speed steel with higher carbon and vanadium contents for exceptional abrasion-resistance. It is well suited for premium cutting tools of all types, particularly those used for machining abrasive alloys, castings and heat-treated materials. The high carbon content enables M4 steel to be hardened to a higher HRC. However, the high hardness and high vanadium carbide content make it more difficult to grind after heat treatment compared to 52100. Although CMP-M4 provides enhanced machinability and grindabiltiy over standard M4, as I understand it.

PLEASE, those who have more knowledge correct me, where I have erred. I do not want to be be spreading mis-information!

https://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtopic.php?t=71542
 
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