Laguioles, Please Educate A Noob

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Always loved knives, and have a few Case, Spyderco, Boker, and a Custom fixed blade by Harold Corby. Just discovered this site, and have rekindled my interest in traditional knives. I have fallen in love with Mora fixed blades and Opinels in the last couple of months, fortunately, they are quite inexpensive.

Then while lurking on a thread, I saw a Laguiole, and I would love to learn more about them before buying. I notice there are several makers, and I wondered about the quality and so forth among them. Also, I don't have a clue about where to find them in the US. Do you have a supplier you recommend?

Thanks for enabling my addiction!

Ultima Thule
 
Unless it is a BF dealer member, any dealer recommendations will have to be made off line. Hopefully, you have opted to allow email from members.
 
Welcome! I only know one thing about Laguioles knives and it's that they are almost always very attractive.

The link is a list a Bladeforums paid dealers. You shouldn't have a problem with any of them. I know someone will come along shortly with more information on their knives and a great place to purchase one. Enjoy your stay!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...t-of-BladeForums-Paid-Dealer-Members-********
 
The ones I have looked at seemed overpriced for the workmanship. However I have seen some posted here in pictures that look a lot nicer. But compared to Opinel they are very expensive. Looks like more than one manufacturer so quality may vary.
 
hi and welcome. Its funny you should inquire about Laguiole right now. I just got off a plane from a 10 day trip in Paris and Cannes where I scouted out different French knives. I can't say I'm any where near on expert on Laguiloes or all that knowledgeable about the various manufacturers, but from what I gathered there are hundreds of companies that make this style. Laguiole is a village in France in the Aubrac Region so the name its self is not trademarked. From talking with one coutellier, a total knife nut, in Cannes I came to understand that if you really want a Laguiole from Laguiole the most authentic and most reliable ones come from the "Forge de Laguiole" Company. This forge was started in Laguiole in the mid 1800's and is still there (moved to Thiers for a period during WWII). My fiancee got me one in Black Horn while we were there and I must say it is a real work of art, just beautiful and has the most satisfying snap I've ever felt. The fit and finish is superb. It seems like one thing to watch for are gaps between the spring and liners. I think the file worked spring make the knife prone to these gaps. I ws able to try a bunch and found one where the gaps were negligible. Another issue with some of them was that they could be extremely hard to close. Once that "Bee" snaps into the spring they are pretty tough to snap back closed. I think in general this is a good trait as it makes for a safer lockup, but a few i handled were cause for concern. Another company I was told was good was Laguiole En Aubrac. Many Laguioles are made in Thiers and from what I could tell they were just fine, but if you want the best Dijon Mustard you go to Dijon, France.

I will share some pics when I get over this jetlag.
 
Fontenille-Pataud en corne. Ram's Horn Lockback Laguiole in Sandvik. You can buy these direct from the manufacturer's website.

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Small version also lockback in matte finish with Walnut scales.

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Smooth White Bone with polished finish showing filework, also Lockback.

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A Quick history

The Laguiole knife was started in 1828, derived, influenced from various sources. The ancestors of the Laguiole knife were called Capuchadou. Farmers in Aveyron used this course dagger to cut bread or wood in the middle of the 19th century. It was composed of a thin fixed blade and a short wooden handle. Another inspirations believed to have come from the Spanish Navaja. The farmers used to cross into the Pyrenees Mountains to go and work in Catatonia fro the summer with their long saws since fieldwork did not require more hands at home. They probably brought back this Spanish knife, with its ring-like safety locks and its Turkish style blade yatagan like seen on the Opinel.



Laguiole, besides being the name of a village in Aveyron and cheese, is a generic pattern name, like stockman, congress, trapper etc. Besides, the name has never been patented and is not protected in any way. The lack of legal protection of the name results in low quality knockoffs from Pakistan, China, Japan and Mexico . There are two main cutlery hubs, in France, the city of Thiers France, where a total of about 70-80 companies produce Laguiole knives from craftsmen producing handmade products to larger industrial type establishments producing more of a mass produced product, soldered fly/bee and stamped patterns in the spring opposed to filed and chiseled, and then the village of Laguiole in Aveyron, where a handful of smiths and craftsmen produce the knives. This is where the original Calmels shop owned by G. Arbalete David, is located.

This is a Rossingnol from Thiers under $100, great knife but more mass produced, the notches on this blade represents the days of the week



Laguiole knife evolved from a single blade to a two and three piece tool the first addition was the poincon, the piercer that was used to make holes in the horse harnesses or to pierce the paunch of sheep suffering from colic, bloating from eating grass, to remove pebbles like a hoof pick out of horse’s shoes, The corkscrew was added around 1880 when some farmers from Aveyron left the farm life and moved to Paris to try to make a living in another way.

Everything I've read says, claims, Aveyron born Jaques Calmels, son of an innkeeper from Laguiole village who invented the knife after an apprenticeship in cutlery production. The Laguiole knife replaced the Capuchadou proved to be really handy and convenient for the farmers.

While there is absolutely nothing wrong with Forge De Laguiole, they are a new comer and actually opened their doors in 1987, also they make different tiers of level quality,( many makers do this, so do your homework ) some are mass produced versions in the $79-$100 range, mostly sold to the US market, and others super high quality $180,$200 and up dollar range, yes they are French made, and setup shop in the town of Laguiole, their bee/fly is soldiered onto spring rather than a one piece forged spring and bee/fly on the lower end models, I say lower end but they are still a extraordinary knife. For a few dollars more take a look at Laguiole En Aubrac, one person/cutler makes the knife from start to finish and signs the back of blade with a specific file pattern, also the spring & fly/bee is forged from one piece of steel and the file marks are more pronounced and unique done by hand, Laguiole En Aubrac was found in the hands of most farmers and on the vineyards in France when I was there. Be carful when buying Laguiole as it is a style like stockman, congress, trapper etc. lots of junk ones on the market.




Can't stress enough that there is nothing wrong with Forge De Laguiole, I will probably add one to my stable at some point, just do your homework and know what you are actually buying.

Although ornate these are rugged work knives, used mine for carpentry and solo camping trips, and I can only speak of mine which are in the 15-20 year old range and don't know about newer ones they are not for the weak, if you think older GEC's are bear traps and a pull of 10 then these are elephant traps at a pull of 15-18 so be warned, also older ones like mine lack a kick so part of the blade rest on the spring but I believe all the newer ones are now made with kicks.

I will PM you a reputable distributor
Pete
 
The navaja influence also shows up in the American "Texas toothpick". If you open a toothpick and a Laguiole and hold them back to back, you will see the almost mirror image curves of handle and blade. But Laguioles tend to like a fatter handle and toothpicks a thinner style as seen from above.
 
Great read, Pete! Thanks for the very informative history lesson about my european neighbours. :)
I just bought a Laguiole R. David last week with snakewood handles and a 12C27 steel blade. A wonderful matched example of french cutlery. I really love it.
R. David is also making the knives in Thiers, France. They seem to be at a lower price in general but do a wonderful work. I also handled Forge de Laguiole but it didn´t "speak" to me like the R. David did. Strange, I know. If you have the chance I would recommend you to handle the knife before buying it.
 
The navaja influence also shows up in the American "Texas toothpick". If you open a toothpick and a Laguiole and hold them back to back, you will see the almost mirror image curves of handle and blade. But Laguioles tend to like a fatter handle and toothpicks a thinner style as seen from above.

Most definitely I alway think of it as Navaja influenced the Laguiole, and then I think of the Laguiole influencing the Texas toothpick, but just my theory:D

Pete
 
You should read this thread before buying online. http://www.australianbladeforums.com/vb4/showthread.php?5962-Laguiole-Knives-Warning
. This link is interesting, explaining some of the legal wrangling http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/french-village-renounces-knife-name/story-e6frfq80-1226484793596
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The only knife of this style I own is made in Spain, by Joker. They proudly call it the Laguiole. I have often wondered how much cross pollination there was between French & Spanish cutlers.
It is chunkier than a real Laguiole, which I like. Well made, excellent F&F. Really nice stag. Heavy pull.

Sorry, don't have my own picture.
 
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Stich -
Thank you for this very good rundown. It does seem like Forge de Laguiole is something like a renaissance company, maybe like GEC is to American traditionals? But it seems with Laguioles there are many small coutellleries who have opened to try to hold up that tradition. I think with so many options I was just happy to have one shop owner insist on the veracity of one company. And I do really like the one I got. He showed me some of the totally handmade versions and while they were very nice and took care of the small F&F details better, I am happy with the bit more mass produced version I got. He also showed me his personal knife - a hundred year old Ivory handled handmade Laguiole with a carved female head. He told me it cost a bit over 2000 Euros (almost $3000). But I failed to note the knife maker on that one.
A Quick history

The Laguiole knife was started in 1828, derived, influenced from various sources. The ancestors of the Laguiole knife were called Capuchadou. Farmers in Aveyron used this course dagger to cut bread or wood in the middle of the 19th century. It was composed of a thin fixed blade and a short wooden handle. Another inspirations believed to have come from the Spanish Navaja. The farmers used to cross into the Pyrenees Mountains to go and work in Catatonia fro the summer with their long saws since fieldwork did not require more hands at home. They probably brought back this Spanish knife, with its ring-like safety locks and its Turkish style blade yatagan like seen on the Opinel.



Laguiole, besides being the name of a village in Aveyron and cheese, is a generic pattern name, like stockman, congress, trapper etc. Besides, the name has never been patented and is not protected in any way. The lack of legal protection of the name results in low quality knockoffs from Pakistan, China, Japan and Mexico . There are two main cutlery hubs, in France, the city of Thiers France, where a total of about 70-80 companies produce Laguiole knives from craftsmen producing handmade products to larger industrial type establishments producing more of a mass produced product, soldered fly/bee and stamped patterns in the spring opposed to filed and chiseled, and then the village of Laguiole in Aveyron, where a handful of smiths and craftsmen produce the knives. This is where the original Calmels shop owned by G. Arbalete David, is located.

This is a Rossingnol from Thiers under $100, great knife but more mass produced, the notches on this blade represents the days of the week



Laguiole knife evolved from a single blade to a two and three piece tool the first addition was the poincon, the piercer that was used to make holes in the horse harnesses or to pierce the paunch of sheep suffering from colic, bloating from eating grass, to remove pebbles like a hoof pick out of horse’s shoes, The corkscrew was added around 1880 when some farmers from Aveyron left the farm life and moved to Paris to try to make a living in another way.

Everything I've read says, claims, Aveyron born Jaques Calmels, son of an innkeeper from Laguiole village who invented the knife after an apprenticeship in cutlery production. The Laguiole knife replaced the Capuchadou proved to be really handy and convenient for the farmers.

While there is absolutely nothing wrong with Forge De Laguiole, they are a new comer and actually opened their doors in 1987, also they make different tiers of level quality,( many makers do this, so do your homework ) some are mass produced versions in the $79-$100 range, mostly sold to the US market, and others super high quality $180,$200 and up dollar range, yes they are French made, and setup shop in the town of Laguiole, their bee/fly is soldiered onto spring rather than a one piece forged spring and bee/fly on the lower end models, I say lower end but they are still a extraordinary knife. For a few dollars more take a look at Laguiole En Aubrac, one person/cutler makes the knife from start to finish and signs the back of blade with a specific file pattern, also the spring & fly/bee is forged from one piece of steel and the file marks are more pronounced and unique done by hand, Laguiole En Aubrac was found in the hands of most farmers and on the vineyards in France when I was there. Be carful when buying Laguiole as it is a style like stockman, congress, trapper etc. lots of junk ones on the market.




Can't stress enough that there is nothing wrong with Forge De Laguiole, I will probably add one to my stable at some point, just do your homework and know what you are actually buying.

Although ornate these are rugged work knives, used mine for carpentry and solo camping trips, and I can only speak of mine which are in the 15-20 year old range and don't know about newer ones they are not for the weak, if you think older GEC's are bear traps and a pull of 10 then these are elephant traps at a pull of 15-18 so be warned, also older ones like mine lack a kick so part of the blade rest on the spring but I believe all the newer ones are now made with kicks.

I will PM you a reputable distributor
Pete
 
I've always admired the Laguiole knives but wanted to buy one when in France. We're planning a month or so in Italy and France next year. I'm hoping to bring at least one home with me.
 
Most definitely I alway think of it as Navaja influenced the Laguiole, and then I think of the Laguiole influencing the Texas toothpick, but just my theory:D

Pete

You're not wrong, and if fact I think a very good case can be made for the Laguiole being the ancestor of the toothpick.

The toothpick is a knife from deep south origins. South, like in Alabama and Mississippi. Like areas next door to the very French area of Louisiana and New Orleans. Heck, we bought it lock stock and barrel from the French. The French/Cajon influence is strong in language, cooking, and knives.

I can't see it much of a stretch of imagination to see how some Laguioles made their way from Louisiana over to neighboring Mississippi and even Alabama and other points south. It's an attractive pattern and useful. Maybe some knife maker saw it, and eventually started to get adapted as a farmers knife, working mans knife, and later on, the knife of choice of Saturday night bar fights. The toothpick had a somewhat soiled reputation when I was a kid, as a barn dance cutter, or cheap bar sticker.

Either way, since the toothpick is a knife of the American deep south, and the Laguiole is a French knife that may have been found in an area of strong French influence like Louisiana, It's very possible the Laguiole is the granddaddy of the toothpick. There sure is a strong family resemblance. The red haired step child from the other side of the tracks, but if he looks like family, acts like family, then...
 
The only thing stopping me from getting a Laguiole is the absence of a kick. With only 1 good arm/hand it would be very difficult to close the knife without it snapping shut on the edge.
 
Either way, since the toothpick is a knife of the American deep south, and the Laguiole is a French knife that may have been found in an area of strong French influence like Louisiana, It's very possible the Laguiole is the granddaddy of the toothpick.

And isn't another name for a toothpick "the French Tickler"?
 
There's no kick on mine. havent noticed any rolled edges from closing but I have been easing it down into the well.
The only thing stopping me from getting a Laguiole is the absence of a kick. With only 1 good arm/hand it would be very difficult to close the knife without it snapping shut on the edge.
 
The only thing stopping me from getting a Laguiole is the absence of a kick. With only 1 good arm/hand it would be very difficult to close the knife without it snapping shut on the edge.

Snip off a pice of 1/8 inch rubber O ring and wedge the rubber stock down in the blade slot. Or wedge a wooden matchstick down in the slot. No problemo!
 
haha yeah. That's what Rough Rider calls a version of one of their Toothpicks, but I feel I've heard it before referring to the American incarnation of the pattern. Presumably a an allusion to the overall elegance and finger-like shape of the pattern.

I don't know about that, but you could tickle someones ribs a long time with a Laguiole or toothpick, and not get a laugh out of them!:eek:
 
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