Lahar, CB Junkyard, or both?

J_Curd

J_Curd

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I am typically a Speedsafe junkie. What is the opening like on these knifes? Smooth and fast enough that I wont miss the speedsafe, or will I be adding alot of wrist flip to get a solid lock?

Both knifes look phenomenal...both in style and materials...what are your thoughts on these models?
 
I don't need, or miss speed safe on my lahar. It's smooth enough to just roll into a good lock. All well built locks need to be seated, some more than others. These are one or two openings and you know you have a good, solid lock holding the blade.

I think both are excellent, almost underrated knives. The Lahar is about as good an all around EDC as you will find. The JYD, especially in the upgraded Ti/SG2 super steel is a laser right out of the box. I'll also rate the SG2 with ZDP in the quality, and excellence of the edge you can put on it.

You aren't going wrong with either model. The Ti/SG2 JYD framelock is one of the best folding knives I've ever owned and I can't see myself ever being without one in my collection.

No one made knives like that one even 5 years ago, for any price. Joe
 
I have both, the Lahar and the JYD II (black G-10, but not the composite blade), and for the price they can be aquired at, I say get both! The Lahar is a solid, well-built, well-designed, beauty of a knife! I absolutely love mine! The wrist roll needed to finish the flipper opening of the Lahar is pretty minimal.

The JYD II is also a fantastic piece! There is no wrist roll needed to assist in the flipper opening of it. The G-10 has a lot rougher of a texture than on the Lahar, so that may or may not be an issue for you. Personally, I feel, where G-10's concerned, the rougher the texture, the better it is. After having purchased, carried, and used both knives, I don't think I could live without either of 'em. They're both THAT good, and they don't need Speedsafe! Timmy G knows what the heck he's doing (hooking us addicts)!:D

Regards,
3G
 
I own a lahar and a CB (D2 version) JYDII. I really recommend them. The flipper action is smooth and the steel is exceptional. Like one forumite poited out, he liked looking at the little waves on the VG10 of the Lahar, it shows good heat treat is what he said. And now I spend a lot of time just admiring it! However note that the Lahar is almost perfect except that when closed it will almost always not be centred. This is due to the strong tension of the lock and is nothing to be worried about. You can rectify this by screwing the blade pivot tighter but the flipper action is going to be deminished so I personally didn't bother.

My JYDII CB is with a lockbar that is rightfully of framelock standard. The super thickness means it's the most secure linerlock I've ever seen in my experience! However you may want to wait for the sandvic steel upgrade coming soon. The new sandvic steel meant for all new kershaws are more rust resistant.

Buy BOTH, you will absolutely never ever regret it, I know I'm happy with mine :)
 
Of the two models, the JYD II is easier to flip open without needing any wrist. The Lahar has a relatively small flipper tab, so if you're not good with manual flippers, you will probably need some wrist unless you have a really smooth one.
 
All things can be made smooth. And the CB D2 is a dream. Rust isnt an issue, I take care of my stuff.

I'll get both :)
 
After you buy the Lahar and the JYD II, buy a RAM. The flipper on the ram will make you forget about Speedsafe. It's fast and smooth.

I think it's an improvement on Speedsafe. (Not that I don't like Speedsafe)

Ask around I think you will get similar opinions from other RAM owners. Maybe someone with all three can comment on which of the three opens the easiest, and is their favorite.

Any body ?
 
Since discussion on it has been coming up a lot recently, I'll give you my opinion.

While all of the non AO's open fairly fast depending upon your abilities, nothing beats the ENER-G for a smooth quick open - faster than an AO, once you get the technique down.

As for the Ram, I haven't played with mine much. But I did spend some time with the MUDD, and the Hawk lock is amazing! The Lahar snaps open with authority, and again, with a little practice, no wrist movement is needed. My JYD's all open very smooth, but I can still fire the ENER-G faster than any of them.
 
Uh, why WOULDN'T you get both (except for not having money, like me). If you don't HAVE to spend money on something else, they are both exceptional knives, and the AO is really not needed once you used to the flipper system. It easily flicks open with no wrist movement, and while it might not be quite as fast as AO, I'm not sure you'll notice the difference.
 
Alright, so after 4 hours at the knife shop yesterday...

Here is a list of what I was interested in, what I fondled, my impressions, and what I purchased.

G10 Offset - too big, neat knife, would be relegated to a safe queen. Didnt buy, I like users.

Ener-G (original, inserts) - too small, fast as heck, but i couldnt get it to reliably fire like I can a Speedsafe w/ flipper. Didnt buy, but I see why people like it.

RAM - Good size, cool system, nice feel. Dont care much for the aesthetics, didnt buy but might in the future.

Lahar - I laid it side by side with a Spyderco Tenacious. Both look to be make in Seki out of the same materials, the ergos and scales are really similar (just a guess from a guy who sources alot of manufacturing). Since I didnt care much for the Tenacious I owned, I passed on the Lahar. I know I know...I will say this - it is twice the knife that the Tenacious is for the small increase in price, and feels 15% better in the hand...but the blade lacks the mass for solid quick opening and the materials and design are just too similar for me.

CB JYD - Picked it up, nice heft. The blade is a bit large for my preference. No reversible clip :grumpy: . Loved the ergonomics, blade opened really fast with the mass of the big blade. The clip is way large, and will be replaced with something smaller. Bought it, lovin it.

Looks like my JYD will be going to STR with my Spec Bump once I get it out of storage for new pocket clips for tip up carry...
 
J_Curd said:
Lahar - I laid it side by side with a Spyderco Tenacious. Both look to be make in Seki out of the same materials, the ergos and scales are really similar (just a guess from a guy who sources alot of manufacturing). Since I didnt care much for the Tenacious I owned, I passed on the Lahar. I know I know...I will say this - it is twice the knife that the Tenacious is for the small increase in price, and feels 15% better in the hand...but the blade lacks the mass for solid quick opening and the materials and design are just too similar for me.
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Big time clarification here, brother! The Tenacious, while being an absolutely great knife, is made in China, and sports a 8Cr13 blade. The Lahar, on the other hand, is made in Japan, and sports a VG-10 blade. Japan vs. China and VG-10 vs. 8Cr13 is a HUGE difference. When you consider the price of the Lahar, compared to Spyderco's Japan made, G-10 handled, VG-10 knives, you'll end up kicking yourself for not snatching it up.;)

Good job on getting the CB JYD II!:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
 
3Guardsmen said:
Big time clarification here, brother! The Tenacious, while being an absolutely great knife, is made in China, and sports a 8Cr13 blade. The Lahar, on the other hand, is made in Japan, and sports a VG-10 blade. Japan vs. China and VG-10 vs. 8Cr13 is a HUGE difference. When you consider the price of the Lahar, compared to Spyderco's Japan made, G-10 handled, VG-10 knives, you'll end up kicking yourself for not snatching it up.;)

Good job on getting the CB JYD II!:thumbup:

Regards,
3G
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Just thought this needed to be quoted for posterity! Excellent comparisons, 3G :thumbup:
 
Agreed guys, I got a few models confused, but the VG-10 and the G10 out of Seki on some of the Spydercos looks a whole lot like the Lahar.

On another note, the liners on the Lahar are much thicker and stiffer than the Tenacious.

Good catch on my appraisal, I did make a mistake.

The Lahar is an excellent knife if that sort of blade is your style. The ergos are great, but the blade needs a reasonable amount of either practice, finger speed, or "break in" to open quickly. Having used a knife to take any option of speed out of my index finger, I gotta go with something with less effort to quickly open.

And VG-10 is phenomenal steel. No question.
 
J_Curd said:
Having used a knife to take any option of speed out of my index finger, I gotta go with something with less effort to quickly open.
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J_Curd,
Take a look at (and handle) the Skyline and Groove series if possible and let me know what you think.;)

Regards,
3G
 
slightly OT, but in regards to switching the JYD2 to tip-up carry, try pulling it from your pocket that way a couple of times first - I was planning on making that switch b/c & prefer tip-up but realized in comparing up v down on the JYD2, for me tip down actually made for smoother opening/presentation.
 
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