Laminated steel Sirupate!

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Though some of you guys may want to see this little treasure!

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I found this long, light Sirupate a couple of days ago at a local Pannier market.
Thought Nice quality antique Villager , Ill have that!

When I cleaned it ,it turns out to be of laminated or watered steel!

unetched but visible! Yabadabado!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The uncleaned but degreased blade.
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After The baby oil & 0000 wire wool. Can you see the wavy hamon as well? Its there.
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My questian is what do I do with it, preserve it or try a light etching!
I am tending towards leaving it, But I do wonder what it would look like etched!

I think the laminations are The Tibetan hairpin style folded near the tip so perhaps made from imported Tibetan steel?

Must be a good week for Sirupates

I realy like this one!
Cheers,

Spiral
 
That's a nice sirupati even if it was plain steel! Don't you love it when something like that happens? Very nice.

Steve
 
Spiral.....you certainly are one lucky guy!! Looks great. When asked about having an overpaint xrayed to see the original painting, Jim Williams (Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil) said to extant "I rather enjoy not knowing" ;)

A little mystery is half the fun, eh?


cheers,
Steve
 
Polish to show the differences in metal. Great blade. Personally, I would skip the etching.

--Rip
 
Very, very cool. But what is a Pannier market?

My two cents on what to do. I would leave it, unless you have a lot of spare cash. I had inquired to Keith Larmen about doing a Japanese polish on a Khuk. He like the idea(he also has an intrest in Khuks) but said it would be expensive. Although if you had the bucs, that beauty would certainly warrant the attention. Nice find.
 
What a beautiful, graceful blade. A version of it would be a real great addition to the HI line, IMHO.
 
That is a nice blade. How long is it overall, and how long is the blade? Handle?
Is it as thick as the current blades?
Let us know how hard the edge is after you have sharpened it - assuming that the edge needs any work.
 
Cheers guys , glad you like it!

It certainly made my day! I just liked the shape, then it just got better & better!

Thanks for ideas & opinions, I appreciate them. I agree & think etching would be rather harsh, polishing, mmmmmm maybe, ill give it some more thought, no need for rash descions with it after all! I wont sharpen it though, its not blunt to start with. ;)

A pannier market is a traditional farmers market in a roofed but partialy unwalled area, where farmers used to bring panniers of thier goods into on thier horses & oxen to sell.

Still a Good place to get farm cheese & venison & such like, nowadays they have transit vans & land rovers to get there stuff there though. :D

This Sirupate is 20 incnes long, weights 20 oz. has a 16 inch blade , 3.5 inch possibly ebony handle & about .5in. of bolster! Its fits my hand good & tight , & locks in as long as my forefinger uses the bolster as handle to!

blade width at bolster is 10.5mm! but is very wedge shaped & with a hollow profile. top of convex sharpening angle at mid belly is 3mm.

I would be happy to make a model made if enough people wanted one, & HI was interested But from the latest Hanshee saga Sounds like it woudnt happen, unfortuanatly. And lets face it, it Woudnt be the same with a big handle & a cho 2inches up the blade as well. :(

Dont think this one was made for chopping wood, feels more like a just reach out & touch someone sort of kuk.


Cheers,
Spiral :)
 
Beautiful knife!!!! And I'm not overly fond of Sirupatis, but I sure wouldn't mind having that one in my collection!!!!:D

You wrote:

"My questian is what do I do with it, preserve it or try a light etching!
I am tending towards leaving it, But I do wonder what it would look like etched!"
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I can sympathize with your desire to etch it but an etch can be done anytime.
It would be much easier to etch a polished piece than to polish an etched piece.
Personally I would polish it.
 
In a similar quandary about over-cleaning an old piece, someone once advised me that "dirt and rust have no historical or collector value." Personally, I think it looks great as you have presented it. It would be a big step to try to restore it by some kind of polishing. I would only consider a very careful hand rubbed finish - no power sanding, grinding, or buffing, unless you can find a real expert... They aren't commonplace.
Then, what would you have? An old khukuri that looks like a new one?
 
Spiral, that is a nice kukri :eek: I sort of agree with everyone about the etching, It would be nice to more clearly see the pattern though perhaps a very quick lemon or lime wash just to see what starts to come out. I know the problem with this approach is once you start you don't want to stop!
Do you have a copy of Fiegiels book, ''On Damascus Steel'' If so you will most likely know what your going to get before you get it (so to speak) :)
 
I agree with Brian.

Sarge was kind enough to bring me back a camel bone handled Khyber knife/sword that I have left as is with the exception of a sharpening. I may eventually clean it a bit more, removing the just the slightest bit of rust from it and then give it a good wax job.
 
A beauty for sure!

Personally I wouldn't touch an old piece with some history
with even the finest steel wool.
Steel wool will remove steel.
If you use it then find 00000 wool.
Rare but findable.

(I'm not a expert; so big grain of salt)
I've been using (#1) baking soda & citrus solvent
with a soft toothbrush & soft cloth.
Next step (#2) has been calcium carbonate (whiting/chalk/....) & citrus solvent
with a soft toothbrush & soft cloth.
Haven't gone beyond that on real -old- steel/wood/horn.
 
ddean's got a point and I forgot about using baking soda with citrus.....how about salt & citrus? I've used that on copper....it's a slow process which let's you control the cleaning.....just really got to get all the salt off is the problem.

Do you make a paste with the baking soda and apply?
 
that one would make a good brother to the rod allen hanshee.
same style blade and engraving on the handle.
they really do look similar.

I bet Yvsa likes that handle.
Except that one does have a high cho, almost like an HI.
ITs beautiful.
Ill give ya 40$ for it. Whaddya say?
 
Wow! Thanks Guys! Lots of good opinions, Ideas, thoughts etc. from you all Cheers! :)

I am tempted by either the lemon wash, or the soda & citrus cleaning, or just oiling & leaving alone!definatly not power tools ferric chloride etc.

I might have a look at that Book as well Rod.cheers!

I have always just preserved old pieces of history, just would like to see a the pattern in it even more prominant!

There is still some fine rust in between the laminations , I want to get rid of!

But I certainly dont want it to look like new!

The cho is less than a half inch from the bolster Danny! not like a 2 inch up the blade job! :barf: ;)

And I agree the blade for sure is Hanshee like just with a short or "normal" handle which I means its a Sirupate not a Hanshee.

$40 for it? Wow! why yes of course! Big money! :D

Cheers,
Spiral
 
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