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POCEH KOCEB

POCEH KOCEB

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So years ago, 2014, I helped a friend of mine from overseas to obtain a batch of knives from Mr Landi. Three different sizes, large, medium and small knives.
We got them, I sent it abroad, generally the recipients were very happy and some of them are still using those till this day...
I ended up with one of the medium sizes, The Bull Maverick, I believe was the model name.
Here is the knife:

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I did like it at the time but when I tried to touch up the blade I literally killed one of my Lansky sharpening stones, the blade was so hard...
So I left the knife in the drawer and didn't touch it for years. I don't go outside as much as before, this was clearly hunting knife profile and I prefer
other type of geometry so the knife stayed there till I started cleaning my drawers and storage places and decided I have no use for it.

I have a neighbor, very good friend of mine, local LEO, that is avid hunter. I think to give him the knife but I don't remember or able to find
if this is 154CM or A2 steel... Judging by the way the steel acts with my diamonds, I think it is A2 but most of the info I can find these days pints to 154CM on his knives...

I need some help please from actual users, if any, to give me some idea what is the steel of this model, I hate to give my friend a knife without being able to tell him at least what steel it is...
Any input if this is a good knife for hunting will be greatly appreciate it, I'm totally in a dark about it even at the time I did some research and found that people like the steel and Landi's heat treatment.
Thank you in advance !
 
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Nice knife brother! I have a Landi from almost the exact same era and it's A2. In fact I think almost all of his knives were A2 back then. I suppose you could ask him here to get a final say?
 
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Thank you for the quick respond ! I tried to find his website and it was missing... I don't use FB and only found it on Instagram but decided to check with the forum first
before I try to contact him. It was a time between 2014 and now, when I tried to contact him and he wasn't very responsive, I don't know why and don't want to go there...
I didn't think he have a connection with BF, I'll try to find him and ask him.
As far as I know he was using also 154CM and all of his knives had some fancy HT with Cryo and so on, I'm not very good with this...
Still, I'd appreciate any input of a user, I guess some how I'd like to find out what I missed with this knife... 🤣

By the way, here are part of the knives I sent to Bulgaria in 2014...

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... and here is a picture from last week, I think, from a get together of the Bulgarian Blade Forum, it's so nice to see a knife you help go to his owner so many years ago
and still being use and in good shape... This is actually what made me give my Landy away, I won't use it but my friend might like it.

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By the limited info I could find online, every knife I could find indicated it was 154CM.

Here's one link I found, and I add it here only for reference as it fits your timeline (2014). And it shows it to be 154CM.

www.collectorknives.net

Landi Knives 2014 154CM Black Micarta Bull Maverick | CollectorKnives

Condition: Mint Overall length: 9 7/8" Cutting edge: 4 7/8" Weight: 6.55oz Thickness: 150/1000" Blade: 1 1/4" wide from spine to edge 154CM steel blade Handles: Milled G10 with 1/4" stand offs and screws. Finishing: These are heat treated, cryogenically treated, triple tempered, and tested to...
www.collectorknives.net www.collectorknives.net
 
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Yea, I was about to point out the same thing. He's definitely around here.

As far as use I honestly can't say that I've ever used it. Mines a skeleton handled smaller fixed blade, about 3.75" or so. I've always planned on making scales for it but never ended up actually doing it haha. He has a pretty good following though.
 
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I've purchased several over the years and have gifted a few among the fisherman at the marina where we stay in the summer on Lake Ontario. Damn good knives and have had 0 complaints about anything concerning the knives at all. I still have 2 myself and although I don't carry them that much anymore cause I don't personally bowhunt I on occasion still use them as an edc and they work perfect and sharpen extremely well. The knives themselves are A2 steel. stay safe
 
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Thank you everyone, I'm glad your experience is what I was guessing/hoping so !
Shane, I got to the same link but the large knives are A2 for sure, so just based on the serious hardness on my knife,
I'd say it is probably A2, as some others mentioned.

I'll definitely get with Landy on this, I'm glad he is member here.
Thanks again !
 
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POCEH KOCEB said:
So years ago, 2014, I helped a friend of mine from overseas to obtain a batch of knives from Mr Landi. Three different sizes, large, medium and small knives.
We got them, I sent it abroad, generally the recipients were very happy and some of them are still using those till this day...
I ended up with one of the medium sizes, The Bull Maverick, I believe was the model name.
Here is the knife:

mpJT9n.jpg


I did like it at the time but when I tried to touch up the blade I literally killed one of my Lansky sharpening stones, the blade was so hard...
So I left the knife in the drawer and didn't touch it for years. I don't go outside as much as before, this was clearly hunting knife profile and I prefer
other type of geometry so the knife stayed there till I started cleaning my drawers and storage places and decided I have no use for it.

I have a neighbor, very good friend of mine, local LEO, that is avid hunter. I think to give him the knife but I don't remember or able to find
if this is 154CM or A2 steel... Judging by the way the steel acts with my diamonds, I think it is A2 but most of the info I can find these days pints to 154CM on his knives...

I need some help please from actual users, if any, to give me some idea what is the steel of this model, I hate to give my friend a knife without being able to tell him at least what steel it is...
Any input if this is a good knife for hunting will be greatly appreciate it, I'm totally in a dark about it even at the time I did some research and found that people like the steel and Landi's heat treatment.
Thank you in advance !
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Try to force a patina. A little drop of vinegar should do. A2 should react right away, 154cm should not.
 
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Off topic:

Edit Mr. Landi has contacted me and I thank him for that-he is looking into the problem
Problem resolved

Nice knives at a good pricing point (IMO)-glad all are enjoying them
 
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Peter, I only helped my friends that didnt speak English to comunicate with him.
My exerience, as far as I can remember 2014 was just normal and everything went well.
Sorry you had issues but I didnt at the time so I cant speak on the subject...

Craytab, didnt think about it but yes, its a good idea. I did write n his thread, he is not set to receive messages, lets see if he answer and I can try if he dont, thanks for the tip.
I had bunch of 154cm Benchmades, I could think about it ha ha ha... :D
 
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Hello POCEH, That is my Bull Maverick Model... it is 154CM Heat treated by Peters to an Rc of 58-59. Each blank is tested and guaranteed by Peters. I don't HT blanks in my shop... there is too much room for error. I leave that to the professionals. I have always had good luck with the Spyderco Sharpmaker.
 
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AntDog said:
Exactly. If the two steels in question are 154CM and A2 it’ll be evident almost instantly.
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Very True... A2 is so much easier to sharpen. I went with 154CM on this model because it was geared towards Military... except for the recurve. I had interviewed 11 of my customers who where active/retired military and Stainless was a big attribute of a a knife to be used by them. My Snake Bull Model came out of that process and then the Bull Maverick (This knife) turned up as its little brother. It was a fun process that a learned a lot from... I'll try to dig out that document.
 
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Peter Hartwig said:
Off topic:
Glad you all have had good experiences with Landi and your knives and they certainly are priced well, but having been ripped off by him around 2008, I suggest you use the credit card option. He was using a preorder/ deposit or full payment method then, and that has done in more than 1 knifemaker. Hope he has things together now, but people that loose money don't forget. I would feel negligent if I didn't mention it.
After a couple years of Emails he promised to repay me multiple times, but never came through.
Just use the credit card option, and all should go well for you.
If the OP would prefer I delete this, just PM me and I will gladly oblige, wasn't sure if I should post this or not
Sorry for the downer post, in a positive thread-and I am not sure what the blade steel was, thinking A2
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Just sent an DM Peter.
 
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Landi said:
Hello POCEH, That is my Bull Maverick Model... it is 154CM Heat treated by Peters to an Rc of 58-59. Each blank is tested and guaranteed by Peters. I don't HT blanks in my shop... there is too much room for error. I leave that to the professionals. I have always had good luck with the Spyderco Sharpmaker.
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Mr Landi, thank you for your input !
 
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Found the document I mentioned earlier... I interviewed 11 Military Members From SF to Officers. And the (Snake Bull) was designed out of it, it is the knife in my BF Avatar. I designed the Bull Maverick a bit later, which is pictured in this thread. Let me know if you have any questions.. Thanks.


Model: Snake Bull

Measurements: OAL: 10 3/4". Cutting edge: 4 3/4". Blade length: Stock: 7/32".

Knife weighs 9.7 ounces and with sheath, 12.7 ounces.

Steel: Current batch 154CM - Heat treated, cryogenically treated, triple tempered, and tested to guaranteed Rc of 58-59 by Peters of Meadville, PA. However, steel is variable. I have has used 1095, A2, O1, and many others in the past.

Sheath: Kydex sheath with belt loop and set up for large tek lok. Nylon coming.

User Base: General including but limited to law enforcement, guides, SAR personnel, military, outdoorsmen and many others.

We have completed many surveys and have found that this (general) audience embodies many requirements for a knife. We believe that the Snake Bull comes very close to filling many of these requirements.

General results of years of interviews with this audience and the subsequent characteristics of the Snake Bull.

- Nearly all (over 90%) feel that a blade over 6 inches is completely unnecessary, and at times, a liability.

- Serrated blades were mostly undesirable, only about 35% had a serrated blade and truly preferred it. However, most admitted that if their plain blade was sharper and of a better quality, they wouldn't bother with serrated blades, and only have them because they seem to stay sharper longer

- Good heft and thickness were unanimous in the survey. Something with some weight, and strong enough to withstand being beaten “with a rock” for various things. Not recommended...

- This model should use thick stock steel, but the handle tang is skeletonized to improve knife balance. It allows the user to handle a knife that feels strong in hand but not too heavy to use for extended periods of time. A must for the user group.

- When talking with military users:

-a high amount of people (about 20%) have used their knives, in combat or (special) training, to skin or gut small animals/goats.

- At least 60% described themselves as outdoorsman, hunting, fishing, camping. Most of these soldiers realize there is no one-knife-does all and prefer to use hatchets where needed, preferring not to have some huge knife. However all seemed to be in search of that one blade that could handle most tasks.

- A groove for the index finger was a good suggestion, to limit the need for a guard/thumb ramp was seen as an advantage for 50% but the other 50% seemed to to prefer no ramp sighting the ability to grip the knife during various use cases more important than a “fighting” style blade. Grip diversification was critical. Here the users were all interested in a multitude of grips. From forward grips to reverse grips. They had also cited that a blade choil does help out during fine tasks and seemed to be a requirement.

- For this reason we had made the decision to create the ramped Snake Bull.
- Grip diversification was the reason why the handle was designed. It is one of the most versatile knife handles in existence, allowing for the user to grip the stout blade in dozens of ways. A few examples:

- The reverse grip is strengthened with the addition of a rear choil and reverse grip thumb “jimping.”
- When using the pommel area for striking the handle can be chocked up on, allowing for an inch of buffer between the hand and the contact surface.
- The handle allows for gloved use because of extra space.
- The blade choil allows for a choked up position with some room to spare
- Many other examples can be cited...


- the audience here tends to bang things with whatever is available, but usually turn to their knives first. If that doesn't work, well, they turn to less reasonable things at times. The pommel of this model (not intended to be used as a hammer) was designed with this in mind.

- Although 98% had folding knives, 95% preferred fixed blades, as they were more confident in them.

- Carrying options was the second most important aspect. All involved seem to have a couple of opinions on the subject. All gear need to be mounted in easily accessible formats. Kydex should allow for belt carry as well as the use of a multitude of options such as Blade Tech’s Tek Lok system. We are also in talks with several vendors concerning highly versatile nylon sheaths. A hole for a lanyard is an absolute must and needs to be secured with with 550 cord.

- And finally, 90% were unwilling to pay over $250, they find that $150-$250 is optimal for a good-quality knife.
 
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