Large Folder

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I need your advice. I have a few large folders in my possession, and am trying to decide which to carry while camping. Whatever it is, it will be backed up by a SAK and Busse fixed blade. It's mostly just for convenience, but could mean more if I become separated from my pack and Busse. Which one would you carry?

1. CR Large Classic Sebenza – rock solid lock, hollow ground BG-42. Easy to field strip and sharpen. 4.5 oz.

2. Benchmade 710 – Slick Axis lock and flat ground M2 steel. Easy to field sharpen and awesome blade shape. 4.5 oz.

3. Spyderco Military – Convenient opening hole and liner lock. Hard to sharpen flat ground 440V blade, but holds the edge a long time. 4 oz.

4. Buck 560 – lockback with hollow ground BG-42 steel, one-armed bandit stud. No pocket clip, but easy to field sharpen. 5 oz.

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Spyderco would be my choice.
 
710HS, because of the tougher steel that is less likely to chip, and I think a flat sabre grind is better suited to splitting or pounding through wood with a baton, than the Sebenza's higher thinner hollow grind, or the Military's thin full flat grind. Definitely has a better lock than the Buck or Spydie. Also think the handle is better suited for use when wet or cold, which might be a concern for you waaaayyy up there!
I think alot of the 710HS, mostly because of the amount of abuse I've intentionally piled on mine..first to check out the steel, since it was my first M2 knife, and more recently to check out the BC coating that it now has. To tell the truth, I trust it above any other folder I've used-if for no other reason than that it's the one that has been used the hardest, and is still going strong.

One way to find out is to take all four of them out, and do the kind of stuff you envision being possible needs for the knife side by side, to see which performs best overall. Course that means beating them all up. They're your knives, though, so I don't mind:p

Which Busse did you get?
 
I'm working on a Busse Basic5. Hopefully things will work out. If not, I'll have to shell out for the Satin Jack CG. I've been looking for something bulletproof, yet small and light enough for backpacking.
 
What about a KABAR? light, bombproof, and already backpacked all over the world!
 
The Military. Lighter than the others and will probably out cut them too.
 
Of the choices listed I would go with the Military, but lately my Moran drop point has replaced the large folders for my outdoor trips, mainly because there is no lock to gunk up or fail, and it is just as easy, if not easier to carry than a folder.
 
I love the military but I never really understood the design to be an ideal survival folder. I see it as an excellent urban fighting folder. but for the woods there are plenty better.

For a convience folder while in the woods. the Sebenza would serve all purposes and it is tough as nails. plus the blade design is better suited than the others for carving, skinning whatever, I am a sucker for drop points. plus the reeve drop point is the one least likely to break off at tip.

the BM also has a long thin tip, great for fighting but I think it would break in woods usage.

the buck has no clip and a thumb stud that could possibly come loose. so for me it falls short as a convience folder.


just for the record my convience folder is a spydie endura. something that I can pullout fast and cut some rope and whatever.
 
I'm getting a 710. Please tell me the exact model number of that one. I want one just like it in M2 steel. Thanks.
 
Buzz, of the knives you have displayed I'd have to say that only
two would meet the "I'm lost oh Sh!t Now what do I do" scenario.

The Buck (loose the thumbstud) & the Sebanza.

The rest are to mechaniclly complex or the blade is to hard. Remember,
what you carry MUST be field sharpenable. period. For the tough 1*
times carry the simplest most depandable tools you can.
 
Sebenza.
Unless I was camping in town, I'd be sure to take the one with the safest and strongest lock, as long as it has a strong tip, good belly, and a lanyard. (Wouldn't want to lose it in the water, or in the rocks.) Ease of maintenance is a nice plus.
 
Buzz,

With regard to the Basic 5, I'm not as experienced with it as OwenM, but I find the grip a bit small----and I don't have large hands. I'll gladly carry it when space is limited (like between my PFD and canoe seat), but I prefer the larger grip of the 7 when there's serious work to be done.
 
I would go with a Sebenza by far! I have used mine for 5 years on 100's of different materials and have never had it chip(BG-42).

Spyderco is a great knife but I have had 440V chip out very easily, I think G2 would be a better steel for this model.

On most of my Benchmades I have quite a bit of blade play in them and that bugs me! The BM-42(butterfly knife) is the best BM product by far it is a rock solid knife!

I don't know anything about the Buck. Good luck!:)
 
Thank you very much for all the input. It’s a tough decision, as all of these folders are very rugged.

I did take the Buck out of the running, even though it’s a great knife. The Buck just doesn’t have the convenience factor that I’m after, lacking a pocket clip and easy one-hand opening.

That leaves the excellent Sebenza (which is my current EDC), the 710HS (Harry - That’s the M2 plain edged model), and the Military. All have features that I love. I used the Military last year, and it held up reasonably well. The edge stayed sharp for a long time. It took a big edge sharpness hit when cutting up a walleye though, and I had a very hard time resharpening it. I got the edge back beautifully, but I never could have done it in the field. I’ll probably end up selling or trading the Military. 440V is just too hard for me to work with.

So that leaves the 710 and Sebenza. I love both of these knives very much. The Sebenza has served me well for almost a year now. The blade has only chipped once, and the damage was very minor. I was cutting a piece of coax cable in half when it chipped, which I hardly expect to be doing on the trail. The incident does leave me slightly wary of using a hollow grind in the outdoors though. I’m wondering if BG-42 is tough enough to handle the dreaded walleye spinal cord. The lock is just so solid though, that I’m always cutting with confidence.

I sent the Sebenza back to Chris Reeve for some edge work, and used the BM 710 while it was gone. The 710 held up nicely. That M2 steel is really good stuff. I may like it even more than BG-42. My only worry is completely unfounded, and regards the Axis lock. It’s hard to put my total confidence in a couple of springs, especially when I’m over a day away from the nearest emergency ward. I may need to abuse this knife a little, just to get my confidence level up. I will say that the 710 has the best large folder blade shape I’ve ever come across. The Seb cuts a little better for the urban stuff I’ve tested, but the 710’s shape is much handier.

I’ll guess I’ll take Owen’s advice on this. I’ll bring both the Sebenza and 710 with me the first time out this spring, and test them. I’ll cut a few particularly nasty fish, whittle a few sticks, and other small chores. I have to keep in mind that the large folder will merely be a convenience item. I’ve just grown accustomed to reaching for a tactical folder whenever the need arises. The fixed blade should theoretically do the bigger work.

Let me also explain about the Busse Basic5 purchase. This decision has been very long and drawn out, and I’m still not sure if I’m making the right choice. There are a lot of great medium sized fixed blades out there. What I’m after is something to handle the bigger camp chores, and a very limited amount of small chopping. I sometimes hack down dead saplings for hiking sticks and the like. It is very rare that I ever need to mess with a piece of wood more than 1 ½ inches in diameter, and it’s usually something soft like cedar. While even the Basic5 is a little small for this task, I really don’t want to lug around a big blade for some off-ocassion cutting. If worse comes to worse, there’s always the saw blade on my SAK.

In addition to the Basic5, I’ve also considered the Busse Satin Jack, Busse Natural Outlaw and Camillus Talon for hiking trips. The Talon is a bit small though for a primary blade, and I wouldn’t want to chop with Talonite. Talonite is awesome stuff, but it’s too soft for any chopping whatsoever. The Satin Jack looks like a good trade-off though, which I’ll probably get if the Basic5 deal doesn’t work out.

I’d love a Natural Outlaw, but I don’t know what the reality of the purchase would be. I’d have a splendid chopper to back up a large folder, but the question is whether I’d actually carry it. The Adirondacks can be a bitch to maneuver through, and footing can be tough at best. There are tons of gopher holes hidden in moss beds, and early growth trees are everywhere. The cover is tight, so I like to go lean and mean. I’m very conscious of bulky or heavy items. 17 oz. is a lot of weight from my perspective. It’s another very hard choice.

If you have any input regarding Satin Jack and Natural Outlaw, I’d love to hear it. My decision changes every 5 minutes on this one.
 
While the BK&T Campaion may be a little heavy as a backpacking blade, it's an awesome chopper for a 5 inch blade. And you could probably buy 3 of them for the money spent on a Busse. And the handle on the BK&T line always gets rave reviews, reagardless of hand size. It may look big, but one you have that handle in hand, it feels perfect. I'm trading mine away, but only because I have to finance another purchase. If I have the money in the future, I'm going to get myself another of the BK&T line. For the money, you can't beat 'em.
 
Personally, I'd sell off all but the Military and use the dough to finance another trip, or two, or three, or ...
 
What I carry:

CRK P-II (14mm Brunton button compass, "Spike II" firestarter, 3" diamond steel, and wet-fire tinder in the handle)
CRK large plain Sebenza (in TAD nylon pouch)
Leatherman Wave (in the utility pouch of the SOE sheath that I had mede for my P-II)

This combo works great and inspires lots of confidence.
 
Buzz, I would go with the Sebenza. The Sebbie, a SAK, and a good hatchet should prove to be an unbeatable combination.
Bottom line....try out different combos and go with the one that works best for you.

Paul
 
Originally posted by Paul Work
Bottom line....try out different combos and go with the one that works best for you.


Hehehe..... Methinks that Paul believes I have unlimited funds. :) I think this often myself, until the wife brings me back to reality. :barf: I got lucky on a few folder purchases, but the big cutter could put me in the garage if I go buying a few to try.

The Busse allure is almost too great to fight, although a tomahawk would be pretty kewl. :D
 
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