Recommendation? Last buy for a while.... Chaparral, UTX-85, or TRM Neutron?

Which should be my next purchase?

  • Spyderco Chaparral

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Microtech UTX-85 / Ultratech SE

    Votes: 12 50.0%
  • Three Rivers Neutron

    Votes: 4 16.7%

  • Total voters
    24
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Ok, let me start by saying that I know these are WAYYYY different knives.
Let me give some background. In the last month I have purchased a WE Practic in M390, a Kizer Dukes and a KME Sharpener kit. So my wife is about to punch me if I spend any more on knives. I own about 8 other folders, mostly Kershaw. I know most people don't, but I really actually appreciate speedsafe knives. I have the cryo, the blur in several iterations, and I also own a Skyline, the spyderco tenacious and military as well as a delica and a few other cheapie buck amd sog knives.

In the hand I most like the feel of the
WE Practic and the delica and Skyline probably all tie for best.

I recently sharpened the M390 practic and it wasn't easy. I definitely made a flat spot near the top due to the belly and the tough steel making me get inpatient. Was able to fix it later by alternating The angle near tip to cut off the flat spot and will reprofile it later when I'm ready to spend more time on it or have bought a lower grit stone. Nearly had the same issue on the Dukes but the VG-10 was easier to cut through than the M390 so I got past the belly without creating a flat spot and also ground out the annoying tiny recurve in it. The Tanto Blur I have, I was able to whittle my first hair with and it's stupid sharp. I had no issues on all the lower grade steel knives I own.

So, I love a great slicing knife and I know that given the geometry on all of these blades should make for really good slicers. Being able to sharpen the blade myself is super important to me as well.

The chaparral I like because of price, easy pocket carry and hopefully relatively easy ability to sharpen, given the steel type and full bellied blade should make it a breeze on the kme.

The neutron I love for same reasons as above (full belly, great carry) but I also really like liner lock and frame lock knives. Caveat though, not big on thumbstuds as I hate when they scrape the back of my hand when reaching into my pocket which I do a LOT for my e-smoke. Other thing is this is cv-20 so basically m390 so can be hardish to sharpen, but that blade shape should really help. Cost is higher but it's a rare knife so I don't really mind.

Now onto the wild card. I bought a UTX-85 this month before the WE Practic and Kizer Dukes. I returned it actually in order to buy those knives. I returned it because when I bought it, I did not yet have the KME and it also came in a different steel than what I had ordered it in. It came super dull (couldn't even shave arm hair with the grain) out the box, and was in Elmax not M390 which I had ordered it in.
However...... I LOVED the way it carried, LOVED the action, and LOVED the way if felt in my hand. Now that I have the KME I could sharpen it on my own but unless I get a tanto blade, which I don't prefer and may look pretty intimidating in this form factor, I think this may prove to be a challenge to sharpen in elmax with that kind of belly on the standard drop point blade. Cost is obviously higher but on all 3 blades, I feel the tradeoff for price vs. Value for me works out as even.

So to sum up, at the end of the day, I'm having a real hard time picking a favorite, on any given day any one of these could be a winner. So give me your thoughts and pick a winner and hopefully my purchase will be enough to satisfy me for at least the next few months.

-Michael
 
Haha, nice username!

Sounds like your taste of the UTX left you wanting more. My guess is that it’ll be on your mind until you have one permanently in your stable. If I’m right, replacing your UTX is the obvious choice.

My tastes are different, but you said LOVED three times describing it...in a single sentence.

Elmax is GoodToGo, fwiw.
 
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How hard can your wife hit?

Personally, I'm a big Chaparral fan. Right now the Titanium handled Chaparrals are getting clearanced out. The stepped Ti handled ones are going away never to return. You might consider that as you make your selection. I think I actually like the Chaparral LWT the best of them all but the Rafir Noble looks sweet too.
 
I hear you, I really like the Raffir Noble too. Damn, so poll is tied across the board. But I'm feeling the live for the MT. Has anyone had experience sharpening Elmax or a single edge microtech otf? I fear that blade may be a bear to sharpen.
 
As a long time KME user, I wouldn't bat an eye at sharpening that UTX on one. I'm not sure I understand your concern there. I'd probably want the pen jaws and the belly bevel might widen a bit but some time with a 140 getting things dialed in for that setup and you should be good to go.
 
As a long time KME user, I wouldn't bat an eye at sharpening that UTX on one. I'm not sure I understand your concern there. I'd probably want the pen jaws and the belly bevel might widen a bit but some time with a 140 getting things dialed in for that setup and you should be good to go.
I think you actually hit it on the head. Pen Jaws for that super small profile of the blade and belly were my concern along with elmax. But after the recommendations here I'm thinking I'll order the MT today.. . Will update when order is placed.
 
Ok, now do I get the microtech in tan or black!! Grrrr!!! I kinda like that tan as basically every other knife I own is in black. Plus that tan is a lot less intimidating....
 
Would definitely go UTX-85 and never sharpen it yourself. Go m390 UTX and send it in when it needs sharpening. Microtech has a free sharpening program/policy. Was told not to send it back in the original box as I may not get the box back.
 
Elmax black handle in stock at gpknives.
O onionfan THANK YOU!! Order placed for the black at GP!

Thanks to everyone for their input on this as well. At the writing of this post the MT is winning in the vote 7-6-3 Mt, chap, and neutron in that order. I really don't think I would have been able to pull the trigger without you guys nudging me this way with it. 250 after tax is a pretty good sized chunk of change for me and I'm happy I went this route because if I hadn't I'd have just ended up buying the chap, then the neutron, just to eventually buy the MT which is what I really wanted all along I think. I'll post pics when it arrives. Thanks everyone!
 
Well, as promised here she is.
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Really pleased with it and it came in great shape. Under 40x mag the blade is pristine on the edge and shows no imperfections. Also appears to have the tiniest microbevel on it. But my God they must have a 55 inclusive edge on this thing. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it were 65. Not gonna be so much fun to reprofile it down to 30 inclusive so I might send this one out to Josh at Razors edge.


And since I literally can't help myself, I bought a Delica from the local knife shop last night. So much for last purchase for a while.... But I can't believe how much I like the Delica. Never held one in hand til yesterday and it was love at first touch. So I kinda ended up with something real close to a chaparral anyway but for about half the cost. Super glad I grabbed it.

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Really pleased with it and it came in great shape. Under 40x mag the blade is pristine on the edge and shows no imperfections. Also appears to have the tiniest microbevel on it. But my God they must have a 55 inclusive edge on this thing. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it were 65. Not gonna be so much fun to reprofile it down to 30 inclusive so I might send this one out to Josh at Razors edge.

I was going to comment on this from your OP:
So, I love a great slicing knife and I know that given the geometry on all of these blades should make for really good slicers.

As nice as the UTX-85 is, a "slicer" it ain't. With a stock-thickness ~1/8", the primary bevel is only ~3/8" wide with an angle ~10-dps. To add as tiny of an edge-bevel as they do, I think you are correct that it is ~50-60 'inclusive.
The Spyderco CalyIII, as an example, is ~1/8" stock on a 1"-wide FFG blade putting the primary bevel angle at <4-dps. Much better slicer.

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I was going to comment on this from your OP:


As nice as the UTX-85 is, a "slicer" it ain't. With a stock-thickness ~1/8", the primary bevel is only ~3/8" wide with an angle ~10-dps. To add as tiny of an edge-bevel as they do, I think you are correct that it is ~50-60 'inclusive.
The Spyderco CalyIII, as an example, is ~1/8" stock on a 1"-wide FFG blade putting the primary bevel angle at <4-dps. Much better slicer.

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Awesome, awesome post and info. I will admit, I 100% thought that the Utx-85 was .125" with a hollow grind. Totally thought it based on photos I had seen and just I guess assumed who in their right mind would make a knife like this without one. Was shocked to see it was indeed a flat grind. I guess it makes sense in their eyes as they seem to view this as a tactical blade. Yes was disappointed to see it wasn't. The last one I ordered and returned was a double edge so I just figured it was so thick because of blade type. In fact I had to actually look online to verify that I somehow missed that this was a flat grind when it arrived. I guess I just totally assumed a small drop point with a 1/8 inch blade would have to be a hollow grind because well.... It's not like it's a damn wood chopping fixed blade. But, I will give them credit in that I'm beyond shocked at how sharp it is. I just cut some phone paper today and it easily circle cuts hanging phone paper and I'm sure would easily slice cig paper. Also being as I still love it for the form factor it's still worth it for me thankfully, but that super thick blade was dumb as hell. I could understand if it were in 440 or something but it is in elmax and no one is going to use this for wood chopping and heavy use like this blade geometry seems to imply... . Well, mostly no one. I may really consider regrinding this with a hollow grind to make it a much more sensible knife.
 
How hard can your wife hit?

Personally, I'm a big Chaparral fan. Right now the Titanium handled Chaparrals are getting clearanced out. The stepped Ti handled ones are going away never to return. You might consider that as you make your selection. I think I actually like the Chaparral LWT the best of them all but the Rafir Noble looks sweet too.

Just got a Ti handled chaparral on sale at knifecemter. The chaparral felt great in my hand, thin in my pocket, slicey, I fell in love. Knowing these will be hard to get soon, 2 chaparrals won't hurt. I kepted looking at them and talking myself out of the purchase until now.
 
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