last one was fake...need info on dating this newly aquired knife

I'm not familiar with the brand but it looks correct from what I can see. But it has been resurfaced with abrasives. You can go on Google Books and do a search for "Hartford Cutlery" on Price's Guide to Collector Knives:

https://books.google.com/books?id=k...3XYwQ-#v=onepage&q="hartford cutlery"&f=false

According to the book... c1928 sold by Marshall Wells Hdwe

Until you buy some books, searching Google Books may help. I'd recommend buying Levine's Guide 4th Edition, Goins' Encyclopedia, and others... Also you may want to buy Counterfeiting Antique Cutlery. IIRC it's mostly Case knives but there's a section on Remington counterfeits and a few others. I own a copy but haven't looked at it in years.

If you intend to collect old knives, you really need to get to a point where you recognize on sight that the Remington counterfeit is obviously not right. If you look at a lot of old Remington knives, you will know instantly that the knife is not legitimate without even looking it up. There are a LOT of fake knives floating around.
 
thanks for all the info on the remington....yeah i knew it had been clened..makes no difference on this one...gonna be a user...and i dont have much in it
 
Although you're getting some back and forth here in Traditional, you'd probably be better served if you posted your questions in the "Bernard Levine's Knife Collecting & Identification" (that's what it's for) with some possibly sharper pictures. You'd probably get more info there and might even have Levine chime in.
 
if the OP asks, it will be moved.
 
Interesting mystery. Seems like the Hartford Cutlery name was used by different entities over time - hardly unheard of in the knife trade.

From the razor forum: "The Hartford Cutlery Co. was in Tariffville from 1880-1886. The old factory has been converted to retail/office/restaurant/hair salon space. I know this because I've been to the factory numerous times. I own a house/office cleaning service and one of my clients has office space in the old factory. Pretty weird coincidence."

But then: "Here is a recent purchase, Hartford Cutlery Co Barehead Jack 3 7/16" long, Iron Rat Tail Bolsters Brass Pinned and lined. Only info I can find (online) is that Hartford was a brand offered by Marshall Wells Hardware, Duluth Minn."

And: "A vintage straight edge razor. The blade is marked EXTRA HOLLOW GROUND and the tang is marked 20 HARTFORD CUTLERY HARTFORD, CONN."

Here is a knife stamped Hartford Cutlery Company/Tariffville, Conn./1876: http://www.laurelleaffarm.com/1876-hartford-cutlery-cheese-knife.htm

And here is the building in Tariffville said to have been used by Hartford Cutlery Co.(6th picture down): http://www.thesizeofconnecticut.com/2014/01/tariffville.html

Tariffville is about ten miles from Hartford.

THIS sounds more like a house brand knife: "Nice etched toenail here with unusual jigging pattern. Etch is clear and reads: HIGH (HARTFORD LOGO) GRADE. The MB tang stamp is left justified and reads: HARTFORD (over) CUTLERY CO. PRUSSIA" or THIS: " Vintage [razor] Hartford Cutlery Co. Germany."

In 1910 "Hartford Cutlery Company" was incorporated in Minnesota.

And someone was using the Hartford Cutlery name in a scheme to mislead:


1922 coverage of the same misdeeds says Hartford Cutlery is a DBA for Morrison & Company of Chicago:


Here is a tang stamp placing Hartford Cutlery in Duluth:




Hartford Cutlery Stockman sold (picture) http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/rare-old-hartford-cutlery-co-jigged-bone-3-blade
 
I think Thomas got it, Hartford cutlery was a manufacturer based in Tariffvile CT. ca 1880 and also a brand used by Marshall Wells hdw. co. in Duluth MN ca. 1928.
Btw the link that Thomas added seems to show the actual OP knife. I haven't seen this brand before so I can't say anything about authenticity though from the photo it looks that nobody had messed with knife beside massive cleaning, all the blades are stamped with no rough edges on the letters, old matching scales.

Mike
 
Although you're getting some back and forth here in Traditional, you'd probably be better served if you posted your questions in the "Bernard Levine's Knife Collecting & Identification" (that's what it's for) with some possibly sharper pictures. You'd probably get more info there and might even have Levine chime in.

Also... It may be helpful in general to read the Identification Forum on a regular basis if you want to learn about old knives. In addition, Bernard Levine also has a paid identification and appraisal service. It costs about as much as Raspberry Carmel Truffle Mochaccino (I made that up :) ) from Starbucks. Even an experienced collector can benefit from the Identification forum or appraisal service.

Interesting mystery. Seems like the Hartford Cutlery name was used by different entities over time - hardly unheard of in the knife trade.

Interesting. Both dates are given in some sources. I suspect that his is the later date but it's just a guess.


It's been repinned. Probably a repair rather than an attempt to deceive.
 
Here's one with a tang stamp like the OP's. I'm pretty sure this one was made for Marshall-Wells. Just don't know which cutlery made it for them. New York Knife Company? Utica? Ulster? Walden (later, Winchester)? etc, etc.

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Reverse tang of main blade... M for Marshall? or W for Wells? Both? :) The letter can only be seen when blade is at half-stop.
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If it was indeed made for Marshall-Wells, why the brand Hartford Cutlery?

A clue might be found in this article on Marshall-Wells:


Albert Morley Marshall was born December 25, 1851. His father, Seth Marshall, was born near Hartford in Colebrook, Connecticut, but spent his active life at Painesville, Ohio, where he was a hardware merchant, president of the First National Bank and otherwise extensively interested in northern Ohio business. His fifth child was Albert M. Marshall, who grew up and was educated in the schools of Painesville. At the age of nineteen he went to Saginaw and entered the shipping room of Morley Brothers, hardware merchants. For twenty-two years he remained with that firm, and when he left was vice president and general manager and had demonstrated the faculty of gathering about him and infusing his personal influence through a splendid organization. He was also president of the U. S. Graphite Company and the Lufkin Rule Company, which he had started at Cleveland and later moved to Saginaw.

In the face of conditions that prevailed in 1893 it is possible to credit Mr. Marshall with nothing less than extraordinary vision and courage in surrendering his attractive and promising interests in Michigan and elsewhere and taking hold of a proposition at Duluth that promised a constant battle as a precedent for growth and success.

In the spring of 1893 he acquired the controlling interest in the Chapin-Wells Hardware Company, the name being changed to the Marshall-Wells Hardware Company. The chief owner of the Wells interests, C. W. Wells, was drowned the same fall while duck hunting, and his partner, F. C. Stone, died three months later. Their estates were represented in the Marshall-Wells directorate for some years. Mr. Marshall in the meantime was left to fight out the battle almost alone.

Again, it might be a clue... but then it might just be a coincidence. :)
 
Here's one with a tang stamp like the OP's. I'm pretty sure this one was made for Marshall-Wells. Just don't know which cutlery made it for them. New York Knife Company? Utica? Ulster? Walden (later, Winchester)? etc, etc.

Reverse tang of main blade... M for Marshall? or W for Wells? Both? :) The letter can only be seen when blade is at half-stop.
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If it was indeed made for Marshall-Wells, why the brand Hartford Cutlery?

It was a common practice: "Keen-Kutter" for Simmons hardware.
 
It was a common practice: "Keen-Kutter" for Simmons hardware.

Oh, I understand it was common practice. Let me put it another way:

Keen Kutter was a brand owned by E.C. Simmons Hardware. Walden Knife Company and others made the knives for E.C. Simmons.

If Hartford Cutlery Co was a brand owned by Marshall-Wells and the knives were made by New York Knife Company and others, where/why did Marshall-Wells come up with the brand name "Hartford Cutlery Co"?
 
An established brand? Parker used all sorts of old eastern brands.

Notice that Morrison & Co. also used "Hartford Cutlery."
 
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