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laws in michigan
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yes! i just recently got an emial concerning new michigan knife laws from ag russell.
My Customers in Michigan
Michigan Legislators
American Knife & Tool Institute Board Members
Ladies and Gentlemen:
There is a law: The law of Unintended Consequences. This present
foolishness is a perfect example.
A police officer sees a service station selling a silly toy to school
children - a liner type lock, three blade throwing star. The police
officer, or one of his superiors, contacts his legislator and the
Honorable Representative Virgil Smith, who probably knows
nothing about the hundreds of models of folding knives, hands
the complaint to his assistant. The assistant then writes a piece
of legislation that has the potential of making it a felony to
carry, on the person or in an automobile, any Gerber Pocket
Tool, any Leatherman tool that locks, any Swiss Army Knife with
two or more locking tools or blades, and any two-blade pocketknife
that locks. These tools are used by thousands of Michigan
residents every day at work, or while hiking, kayaking or riding
their bike.
Why did no one say, "selling a folding throwing star is already a
violation of the law" and do whatever is done in such a case, like
charge the service station owner with an offense.
The Honorable Representative Virgil Smith and the Honorable Samuel
"Buzz" Thomas, who has sponsored the bill in the Senate, have now
proposed to make criminals of perhaps millions of Michigan citizens as
well as sportsmen and tourists who visit the state. In addition, they
have clearly jeopardized an entire responsible, law-abiding industry
that serves Michigan workers, from carpenters to auto mechanics,
and law-abiding recreational knife owners.
I would like to ask that you write a polite letter to both of the above
gentlemen, and to your own Michigan Representative and Senator,
explaining to them that you have urgent and lawful need for your
pocket tools and two-blade locking knives. Explain that the locking
mechanism on folding knives is a safety feature. Also indicate that
while you do not support legislation against inanimate objects, you
do and will continue to support laws dealing harsher punishment
for the use of any object in the commission of a criminal act.
I appreciate your help.
A. G. Russell, Regent
American Knife and Tool Institute
MI Rep. Virgil Smith
S0686 House Office Building
P.O. Box 30014
Lansing, MI 48909-7514
virgilsimth@hos.mi.gov
Senator Samuel 'Buzz' Thomas III (MI)
610 Farnum Building
Post Office Box 30036
Lansing, MI 48909-7536
SenBThomas@senate.michigan.gov
if you live in michigan or are sick of these types of laws please write to those 2 gentlemen!!!
My Customers in Michigan
Michigan Legislators
American Knife & Tool Institute Board Members
Ladies and Gentlemen:
There is a law: The law of Unintended Consequences. This present
foolishness is a perfect example.
A police officer sees a service station selling a silly toy to school
children - a liner type lock, three blade throwing star. The police
officer, or one of his superiors, contacts his legislator and the
Honorable Representative Virgil Smith, who probably knows
nothing about the hundreds of models of folding knives, hands
the complaint to his assistant. The assistant then writes a piece
of legislation that has the potential of making it a felony to
carry, on the person or in an automobile, any Gerber Pocket
Tool, any Leatherman tool that locks, any Swiss Army Knife with
two or more locking tools or blades, and any two-blade pocketknife
that locks. These tools are used by thousands of Michigan
residents every day at work, or while hiking, kayaking or riding
their bike.
Why did no one say, "selling a folding throwing star is already a
violation of the law" and do whatever is done in such a case, like
charge the service station owner with an offense.
The Honorable Representative Virgil Smith and the Honorable Samuel
"Buzz" Thomas, who has sponsored the bill in the Senate, have now
proposed to make criminals of perhaps millions of Michigan citizens as
well as sportsmen and tourists who visit the state. In addition, they
have clearly jeopardized an entire responsible, law-abiding industry
that serves Michigan workers, from carpenters to auto mechanics,
and law-abiding recreational knife owners.
I would like to ask that you write a polite letter to both of the above
gentlemen, and to your own Michigan Representative and Senator,
explaining to them that you have urgent and lawful need for your
pocket tools and two-blade locking knives. Explain that the locking
mechanism on folding knives is a safety feature. Also indicate that
while you do not support legislation against inanimate objects, you
do and will continue to support laws dealing harsher punishment
for the use of any object in the commission of a criminal act.
I appreciate your help.
A. G. Russell, Regent
American Knife and Tool Institute
MI Rep. Virgil Smith
S0686 House Office Building
P.O. Box 30014
Lansing, MI 48909-7514
virgilsimth@hos.mi.gov
Senator Samuel 'Buzz' Thomas III (MI)
610 Farnum Building
Post Office Box 30036
Lansing, MI 48909-7536
SenBThomas@senate.michigan.gov
if you live in michigan or are sick of these types of laws please write to those 2 gentlemen!!!
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jimcope said:does any know the new laws trying to be passed in michigan concerning knifes?
Here are the bills and what the AKTI has to say:
In bill text the following has special meaning
underline denotes added text
struck out text denotes deleted text
2003 MI H 5797
AUTHOR: Smith
VERSION: Introduced
VERSION DATE: 04/22/2004
HOUSE BILL No. 5797
April 22, 2004, Introduced by Reps. Smith and Hood and referred to the
** Committee on Criminal Justice.
A bill to amend 1931 PA 328, entitled
"The Michigan penal code,"
by amending sections 224 and 227 (MCL 750.224 and 750.227), section 224
as amended by 1991 PA 33 and section 227 as amended by 1986 PA 8.
THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT:
Sec. 224. (1) A person shall not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, or
possess any of the following:
(a) A machine gun or firearm that shoots or is designed to shoot
automatically more than 1 shot without manual reloading, by a single
function of the trigger.
(b) A muffler or silencer.
(c) A bomb or bombshell.
(d) A blackjack, slungshot, billy, metallic knuckles, sand club, sand
bag, or bludgeon.
(e) A device, weapon, cartridge, container, or contrivance designed to
render a person temporarily or permanently disabled by the ejection,
release, or emission of a gas or other substance.
(f) Any sharp-edged, multibladed device, capable of being carried on the
person, with blades that are, or can be, locked into place for use as a
weapon.
(2) A person who violates subsection (1) is guilty of a felony ,
punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years , or a fine of not
more than $2,500.00, or both.
(3) Subsection (1) does not apply to any of the following:
(a) A self-defense spray device as defined in section 224d.
(b) A person manufacturing firearms, explosives, or munitions of war by
virtue of a contract with a department of the government of the United
States.
(c) A person licensed by the secretary of the treasury of the United
States or the secretary's delegate to manufacture, sell, or possess a
machine gun , or a device, weapon, cartridge, container, or contrivance
described in subsection (1).
(d) A person possessing a weapon described in subsection (1) pursuant to
his or her duties with the armed forces of the United States.
(e) A person manufacturing, selling, offering to sell, or possessing a
device described in subsection (1)(f) in the course of a lawful trade,
profession, or occupation.
(4) As used in this chapter, "muffler" or "silencer" means 1 or more of
the following:
(a) A device for muffling, silencing, or deadening the report of a
firearm.
(b) A combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use
in assembling or fabricating a muffler or silencer.
(c) A part, designed or redesigned, and intended only for use in
assembling or fabricating a muffler or silencer.
Sec. 227. (1) A person shall not carry a dagger, a dirk, a stiletto, a
double-edged nonfolding stabbing instrument of any length, a sharp-edged
multibladed device with blades capable of being locked into place for
use as a weapon, or any other dangerous weapon, except a hunting knife
adapted and carried as such a hunting knife , concealed on or about his
or her person , or , whether concealed or otherwise , in any vehicle
operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house
, or place of business or on other land possessed by the person.
(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her
person , or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or
occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house , or place
of business , or on other land possessed by the person, without a
license to carry the pistol as provided by law and , if licensed, shall
not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any
restrictions upon such the license.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony ,
punishable by imprisonment for not more than 5 years , or by a fine of
not more than $2,500.00.
An AKTI*model letter ...
*
Representative Virgil Smith
House Office Building No. 686
Lansing, MI 48909
RE: House Bill No. 5797
Senate Bill No. 1296
Dear
House Bill No. 5797 / Senate Bill No. 1296, recently introduced, would make it a felony for millions of people in Michigan who carry typical folding knives used everyday for performing our jobs, for routine tasks of daily living and for recreational activities. Your bill would make criminals of auto mechanics, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, sheet metal workers, truck drivers and virtually every union and non-union worker in the state, as well as recreational backpackers, bikers, campers, hikers, kayakers and every gardener in Michigan who uses a folding knife to prune the roses.
Many law-abiding people here in Michigan have for years routinely carried "a sharp-edged, multibladed device with blades capable of being locked into place. . . ." This description would include, for example, "Swiss Army knives," as well as the typical "multi-tool," which many people here in Michigan find almost indispensable, not to mention millions of tourists. In addition, the locking device on folding knives was designed to keep the blade safely inside the handle when closed and to protect users from having it close on their fingers until they want to close it.
The difference between a tool and a weapon is in the mind of the person who holds it. If there are people in Michigan who are misusing knives for criminal purposes, there are existing laws to deal with the situation.
I strongly urge you to withdraw this bill. I believe it would have a negative impact on responsible, law-abiding people in Michigan and expose many of us to potential criminal prosecution. It would also hinder many businesses. I believe that the legal and governmental resources of the State of Michigan should be more appropriately used to prosecute the few individuals who violate the law rather than attempting to interfere with millions of law-abiding citizens.
Very truly yours,
*
*
The Honorable Senator Alan Cropsey
Chairman Senate Judiciary Committee
Farnum Building #1005
Lansing MI 48909
Phone: (517) 373-3760
Fax: (517) 373-8661
Email: Jlazet@senate.michigan.gov (Alan's chief of staff John Lazet)
Email: SenACropsey@senate.michigan.gov
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The Honorabale Senator Samuel "Buzz" Thomas
Farnum Building #610
Lansing MI 48909
Phone: (517) 373-7918
Fax: (517) 373-5227
Email: SenBThomas@senate.michigan.gov
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The Honorable Representative Virgil Smith
House Office Building #686
Lansing MI 48909
Phone: (517) 373-0589
Fax: (517) 373-6404
Email: virgilsmith@house.mi.gov
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The Honorable Representative Morris Hood
House Office Building #690
Lansing MI 48909
Phone: (517) 373-3185
Fax: (517) 373-5986
Email: morrishood3rd@house.mi.gov
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The Honorable Representative William Van Regenmorter
Chairman House Committee on Criminal Justice
House Office Building #1093
Lansing MI 48909
Phone: (517) 373-8900
Fax: (517) 373-8697
Email: wmvanreg@house.mi.gov