LB7 question

Hummm.............pre-Old Timer would be pre-1959. I don't think the LB7 pattern goes back that far. Does anyone know for sure? Codger?

Dale
 
His description of the knife is incorrect in many ways, most of which are obvious. SCHRADE+ denotes a stainless blade post 1973. Pre-Old Timer era suggests a Schrade Walden knife made not only pre 1973, but pre 1959. Stainless does not form a patina, but you can scratch and scar it. Being a four pin (three cover pins and the lockbar pivot pin), it is an earlier LB7, but not made before 1977. As for the lockbar, view an actual knife from various angles and you will see the bar depressed when the blade is halfway open. Here is one with pics of the knife from different angles. 250027602793

And here is the earliest LB7 I personally own.



They were serialized beginning with the earliest made in 1977. They were first advertised in 1978. Ask the seller what the serial number is. The good news is that he may well have gotten it from the original owner, and the original owner may predate 1959 like myself.

Codger

PS - I've now begun to take on BRL's perspective on informing buyers and sellers of incorrect and fraudulant eBay listings. I seldom tell either of them the truth. It is not our place to do so.
 
Codger_64 said:
PS - I've now begun to take on BRL's perspective on informing buyers and sellers of incorrect and fraudulant eBay listings. I seldom tell either of them the truth. It is not our place to do so.
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Codger, Would you briefly explain the rationale for why it is not our place to do so? This is something I think about from time to time, but have not reached any conclusions.
Thanks,
Dave
 
If I remember correctly, Levine thinks that caveat emptor is the way to go. The buyer should be obligated to do his fact finding and then make an informed decision. If a potential buyer seeks your input or comes to our forum for information, then, of course, it's okay to share whatever knowledge or opinions we may have. In Levine's case I think this represents a really professional attitude which is what he should do. Like Codger, I have come to believe that way as well, although any input I could furnish would be marginal at best.

Paul
 
Paul, your explanation comes quite close. There are instances where I will inform a seller of an error. Usually it is a seller I know, and who knows me. I also have sellers and prospective buyers contact me via e-mail. I don't mind helping them when I can, but I'll not get caught up in a tussle between buyer and seller. Unlike Mr. Levine and others, my help does not require a fee, or even usually an offer to buy, so it is not really a matter of professionalism for me, but rather a sense of propiety. Would you interfere and hex a deal in a car dealership if you heard a salesman misrepresent a new car? Would you stand up in church and argue with a preacher over his sermon? I don't know how to explain it any better except to say to use caution and good judgement if you choose to interfere in an eBay auction in any way.

Codger

PS - Any buyer or seller who wants the best information available on Schrade, Schrade Walden, Imperial, or Ulster knives only has to come here and ask. As far as eBay goes, ancient maps often marked it's location "Here Be Dragons".
 
G'Day. I agree with your comments however the one exception is sellers willfully representing Taylor Crapp as genuine USA Schrade.Some of us including me have been caught and I have 400 odd schrades in my arsenal to compare with,so what hope does the person starting out that trusts they are purchasing a quality knife when they are invariably shown the US flag no mention of country of origin and they extoll the virtues of the fine collecting qualities and rarity of say a 150T Schrade Deerslayer. I always email a highest bidder and they invariably state they appreciate the advice and had no idea it was Chinese and are bewildered that a box can show US flag and be made in China.
I wonder how many ethical manufacturers in U.S. would show a Chinese flag on their product even if it meant extra sales to China....I bet the Chinese would get their flied rice balls in a tangle over it! Hoo Roo
 
You are quite correct in your take on this Larry. More and more, I notice sellers taking their pictures with the sheath sitting on top of the box covering the flag, or the knife out of the box with the box not shown. This presents a dilemma. I am not the eBay police, or their Jimmeny Cricket, and can only look out for myself (and barely that) when it comes to the Chinese knockoffs. If you wish to tilt at windmills by notifying bidders of the fraud they are falling for, more power to you. I can certainly understand your motivation.

Codger
 
I respectfully disagree fellows. There are as many uninformed sellers as there are buyers out there. In the case of this auction I sent the seller an email and told him that it was not a pre-1959 (when Old Timers were introduced) knife. This was the reply I received form him-
Thanks Dale, You just told me more than I knew about them. All of the LB7,LB6 type I've seen had the Old Timer badge in the handle. Maybe there is a dating chart like Buck's around. Bob

I sent him a response and invited him to look into the forum and find out more about Schrades. I also told him that if he has an LB6 to PLEASE send me a picture!!! :D :D :D

Not all of the sellers who list wrong info do so intentionally, though as Larry has pointed out, some do. I have developed a good relationship with some sellers by sending them messages. Of course I have has a couple terse replies also.

Just my $0.02
Dale
 
Gentlemen, I appreciate your views on the issue of informing buyers and sellers of inaccuracies or confusion. A similar discussion goes on in my mind when trying to decide if I should get involved, hence the question.

So far, my policy has been: If I think the seller has integrity but made an honest mistake, I let him know. (Typically I have found them to be appreciative.) If I think he's a shady character, I don't waste my time. And I don't contact buyers or potential buyers.

Thanks again,
Dave
 
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