LCD tv's?

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Howdy folks-

I'm on the hunt for a new tv. The one we have now is about a decade old and is probably 25" or so, we can barely see some things from the couch. So I want to upgrade! I think a 32" is abjut appropriate for our apt size. :grumpy:I went to Wally world to see what they had, and liked the looks of a Phillips they had ( ran about $450). The kid working there recommended a vizio, Whig was about $360. But I know nothing about that brand. The Phillips seemed brighter and crisper but that could just be the settings.

So basically anyone know a particularly good brand that I can get at a decent price? I'd rather not pay more than $425 or so.

Thanks!
 
LG seems to be well-regarded, and you see them everywhere these days. We went on vaycay recently, and they used LG flatscreens at both the hotel on the way there, and the condo when we got there. My next one will probably be LG.

At home we have a Sony, which I is great in terms of being a quality build. The only slight downside is that it takes a couple of seconds to "click" to the next channel when scanning. The LG was much faster.
 
I looked at some LG's online, but I think the price tag is a bit beyond me currently. I've read reviews online of both the Phillips and the Vizio, and both are mixed sadly. A percentage of each have had problems with either the tv just going black permanently or fading out or speaker issues. I know that within any product you'll find duds, but the frequency with both is quite disconcerting. Is there just not a budget priced lcd tv available, I wonder?

Anyone with experience with the cheaper brands would be welcome!
 
Howdy folks-

I'm on the hunt for a new tv. The one we have now is about a decade old and is probably 25" or so, we can barely see some things from the couch. So I want to upgrade! I think a 32" is abjut appropriate for our apt size. :grumpy:I went to Wally world to see what they had, and liked the looks of a Phillips they had ( ran about $450). The kid working there recommended a vizio, Whig was about $360. But I know nothing about that brand. The Phillips seemed brighter and crisper but that could just be the settings.

So basically anyone know a particularly good brand that I can get at a decent price? I'd rather not pay more than $425 or so.

Thanks!
1. Make sure the resolution is at least 1366x768
2. Make sure it has 2 of the latest version of HDMI ports. With digital rights management the word of the day, do you really want to wind up with a TV to which your DVD player and cablebox don't want to output?
3. Look up reviews online by model number. Don't even bother looking at "brightness" and "contrasts" numbers the manufacturers give you. They're all artificial and can hardly be used to compare sets from the same company, much rather between companies.
 
I just got an Emerson 32" HDTV at Wally world last month. To satisfy my wife, the TV had to fit in our existing entertainment center which is 31" wide. This meant that we were looking primarily at 26" TV's which you can't see from that far away. The Emerson fit the bill at 30.6" wide. The display looked really good on the shelf (better than the Samsung and Sony on either side of it) as well as priced very low ($375). I love it after having it for a month. It may not be perfect (remote sucks and the AT&T U-Verse universal remote won't work with it), but it looks great for the price and is very user friendly. I have not had a single problem with it during setup or use. HDMI works great with my Xbox 360 and regular DVD's look great with this setup. Our TV service is not HD, but it looks as good as I need it to from our couch 8' away.
 
When it comes to these new sets, bigger is better and they are getting cheaper by the day. I replaced the old 46 rear projection set in the house with a toshiba 52 inch LCD and enjoy it. I hooked a high def camcorder up to it and hi def is amazing. The colors are richer, and the new sets don't have that flicker that the old ones did.

I would like to replace the 19 inch set at the cabin, but I am wondering how it will fare when I am away and the place is unheated. The TV is 11 years old, and I always get the wood stove going, and only turn on the set once the place has warmed up. I am wondering if this will work with these new sets, or will they freeze up and die?
 
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my brothers gf has a visio and he likes it alot. that what he told me to buy when i bought mine. but i went with a sony bravia. but id consider the visio!
 
I could write a super long post trying to help you out (I actually started and stopped half-way because there were too many "if"s :P), but I think the best way to get a useful answer would be you telling us what kind of use do you have for that TV.

Questions you need to ask yourself, and answer to us:

- Do you want to plug your computer in it and use it as monitor on top of watching TV?

- Are you a big movie fan? (not do you watch movie often, but how do you appreciate movie quality and if you've got a good experience would you watch movie often?)

- What kind of show you watch the most?

- Do you own/consider [buying] an HD cableBox/satellite receiver?

- Are you a gamer? I'm mainly thinking Console -> PS3 / XBox360 (Wii wouldn't really count)

- How much would you invest in accessories on top of the TV price? (while most accessories can be found for cheap online, they're expensive in the stores. Just don't get caught in those traps) I can fill you in on this after you've got a better idea of the TV to buy

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Also, TVs that are on display in most stores are often set on really bad sources, on top of being split accross 10 tvs. The result is often horrible, but sometimes you have one or two TV that have better sources and set differently that it looks better than the others. Don't be fooled, it means nothing and can even be a store tactic to sell a particular model more often.

The best solution to this would be "buy and try, then return to store, buy and try again. I know it looks cheap and stupid to do this, but it's the only real way to know what you're going to buy, unless you go to High end store where you can compare TVs for real in realistic situations. Mind you, buyng 2 or 3 tvs for comparison purposes, and returning them to the store to finally buy the one you chose back can make you save some money (think of BestBuy's open box policies ;).

Hell this post just got as big as my last one :P It probably is more helpful in this form though. come back with some more details on your habits (answering the questions listed) and it'll be easier to help you out in terms of brands/model

Hope you found this useful, and good luck in finding the right TV for you!

O.
 
Thanks for the help! Just measured the current tv, it's a 20"! Just plain teensy, especially from roughly 10 feet back.

-I do not and don't plan on ever using my tv as a monitor for my computer.

-I'm a big movie fan, but not insane about the top quality. For example, I don't own a blue ray and don't plan on getting one any time soon. I'd just like to see more, and see it more clearly.

-I watch a lot of cartoons and such, other than movies. South Park, Venture Brothers, etc. My wife watches anything, but usually shows like 'Cold Case Files' and Forensic Files, etc.

-No HD box and no plans on getting one. Unless it's absurdly cheap and easy and I don't know it.

-Not a gamer, but I do enjoy playing my Wii a lot.

-I have almost no interest in any accessories right now.


I could write a super long post trying to help you out (I actually started and stopped half-way because there were too many "if"s :P), but I think the best way to get a useful answer would be you telling us what kind of use do you have for that TV.

Questions you need to ask yourself, and answer to us:

- Do you want to plug your computer in it and use it as monitor on top of watching TV?

- Are you a big movie fan? (not do you watch movie often, but how do you appreciate movie quality and if you've got a good experience would you watch movie often?)

- What kind of show you watch the most?

- Do you own/consider [buying] an HD cableBox/satellite receiver?

- Are you a gamer? I'm mainly thinking Console -> PS3 / XBox360 (Wii wouldn't really count)

- How much would you invest in accessories on top of the TV price? (while most accessories can be found for cheap online, they're expensive in the stores. Just don't get caught in those traps) I can fill you in on this after you've got a better idea of the TV to buy

__

Also, TVs that are on display in most stores are often set on really bad sources, on top of being split accross 10 tvs. The result is often horrible, but sometimes you have one or two TV that have better sources and set differently that it looks better than the others. Don't be fooled, it means nothing and can even be a store tactic to sell a particular model more often.

The best solution to this would be "buy and try, then return to store, buy and try again. I know it looks cheap and stupid to do this, but it's the only real way to know what you're going to buy, unless you go to High end store where you can compare TVs for real in realistic situations. Mind you, buyng 2 or 3 tvs for comparison purposes, and returning them to the store to finally buy the one you chose back can make you save some money (think of BestBuy's open box policies ;).

Hell this post just got as big as my last one :P It probably is more helpful in this form though. come back with some more details on your habits (answering the questions listed) and it'll be easier to help you out in terms of brands/model

Hope you found this useful, and good luck in finding the right TV for you!

O.
 
That's going to make it easy ;)

From what I reckon, you don't need a new TV just stay with your 20"! :D Just kidding :P

Seriously, You obviously don't need the latest/highest/greatest thing out here. To give you an idea about specs and tech. available:

Full HD: 1080p, biggest resolution on the consumer market, and it's a must for Blu-Ray.

HD Ready *usually* means (it's a loose term): 720p - Although it's considered HD, it's nowhere nearly as crisp as 1080p. It's about twice as big (in term of resolution) as a regular TV.

Basically, the higher the resolution, the better the image. HOWEVER, for the same resolution, the bigger the TV the lesser the image quality (Imagine a 40" and 52" TV with the same resolution, say 1920x1080 pixels. Both have the same number of pixel to cover different areas. It means the biggest have to use either bigger pixels (less likely) and/or bigger space between each pixels, resulting in a "fuzzier" image). It's not something you'll notice right away so don't be concerned too much about that, but it's good to know.

Choosing between a 1080p and 720p:
In your case, it's easy to say go for a 720p; It's actually going to be better with a 720 than a 1080 (you might even regret a 1080 with no HD sources at hand). To explain, if your TV signal is SD (which is in fact 480i, much smaller than an HD source), the TV will have to scale the source (the picture) to match it's own resolution. And scaling equals distortion and/or blur in picture, and you don't want that or the least possible.

In terms of available technologies, there's two big players: LCD and Plasma.
Nowadays, plasma may be a bit cheaper than LCD (it was the opposite a few years ago). Plasma has much much better contrast ratio and deep blacks than LCD. However, it is super easy to end up with burn-in in the picture that can last from 15min to 2-3hours, and that's not really good.

Burn-in occurs when part of an image stay the same for a certain period of time. With plasma TV, burn-ins are rarely (never?) permanent though, it's just way annoying because you see a "ghost" of that fixed image overlayed with the real picture you want to see. Now just think of the two horizontal black bars when listening to movies: you watch a movie for 2h, then the TV-> with two semi-transparent black bars on top and bottom of the screen, nice! :P

LCD don't have that problem at all, and usually last longer than Plasma (plasma burns gaz while LCD is made of diode that can last tens of thousands of hours, if everything goes well).

So I'd just say, stick with LCD. Plasma is good for home-theatre dedicated rooms that you don't use as regularly as say the living room.

Contrast/Brightness etc
1st thing 1st -> a 10,000:1 contrast don't exist in LCD *AT ALL*. You'll see plenty with super high contrast ratio but that's just number on a sheet of paper backed by the process of changing dynamically the brightness of the TV in accordance to the picture shown (it's called Dynamic Contrast because of that) and it's not very pleasant to watch.

If the number you see is around 800:1 to 2-3000:1 chances are that this number is more realistic. The higher the better (deeper blacks/brighter whites)

Refresh Rate:
Usually something between 2ms to 8ms. The smaller the better. 8ms might be considered bad but it's actually pretty decent if the TV is of good quality.
Most TVs have pretty decent refresh rates now so that shouldn't really be an issue.

Inputs:
Make sure the TV has enough inputs for your needs, and of the good types. They usually have more than needed but take a look just in case :)

Brands:
Few companies make their own LCD panels. A quick search on the web should tell you which ones exactly. I'm really not sure about who makes them or not, I used to know when I was salesman but that's a while ago and things changes.

IMHO, Sony tends to be overpriced in almost anything. Good brand, great products, but you pay a nice premium for the 4 chromed-plastic letters on the front of the TV.
Sharp is, I think, the best compromised in term of quality/price/service. When I searched to buy mine, I went with Sharp as I found it was the best option there was.
LG, I'm not sure what to think about them. They're not as big as Sharp or Sony, they've got less experience in TVs but they started with computer Monitors way back then. I've heard good things about them though so I guess I wouldn't mind having one. If budget is critical but you want a lasting TV, Lg would be a good choice.

White Westinghouse, Insigna, Phillips, Daytek (typo?), and so on:
While they're inexpensive, chances are that these TVs die on you under 3 years. I personally think it's not really worth the prices unless you get a really good deal. Not to mention the quality will suffer. These constructor buys their lcd panels from the big players and make a frame around them, puts cheap electronics to drive the LCD and backlight so the result is usually not so good.

I think that's pretty much all there is to know about TVs
If you've got other questions and stuff you're welcome to ask

I suggest you take a look at this too: http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdtv/lcd-tv-contrast-ratio.html (look at the rest of the site as well)

Also, if you need cables and stuff, buy them online. You'll end up paying around 10% of what they ask in store. An HDMI cable in store can cost nearly a 100$ while online you'll have the same thing for around 10$.

Hope this help! (I know it will :P)

O.


edit: Wow now I realize I had nothing to do at work today! lol
 
Thanks for all the advice! That is in keeping with the research I've done online.

Unfortunately, I'm still a bit stuck on which brand to get. It just feels like a roll of the dice, as I've read lots of bad about all the ones I've been looking at. Even the Sharps had a good amount of negative reviews, as did LG. Both of those were about $40-$60 more than the Emerson (not that it didn't have it's own share of bad reviews).

The issues are not minor, and with LG for example involved the units just shutting down or completely failing, and doing so repeatedly with replacement units.

Grrr..
 
Sony and Samsung tend to be TOPS in LCD TVs right now. They both kick butt. LG and Sharp Aquos are also good.

With plasma, Panasonic Viera is the way to go.

Find your screen size, match the price, and go with that series for one of those 3 brand names, depending on which format you get-- LCD or plasma.
 
Unfortunately, I'm still a bit stuck on which brand to get. It just feels like a roll of the dice, as I've read lots of bad about all the ones I've been looking at.

After researching and price comparing, the best thing is to actually view the choices in as close to a lighting situation as in your own house. Try and get the settings on the different models the same as possible, sales staff withstanding.

In the end, let your eyes decide.
 
Insignia are LGs labelled as Insignia so Best Buy can sell them as their own house brand. I have an Insignia 19" and it's great. Don't be put off by Insignia, but avoid Westinghouse and stuff like that. Especially Sceptre, they are attrocious.
 
Get it from BestBuy with their price match guarantee. They know what they are doing far more than any hole in the Wall Mart.

If you're going LCD get a 120Hz unit. The 60Hz are plagued by motion blur.
 
I avoid Best Buy like the plague. Plus they have the worst return systems in the world. And they're douchers.

But I picked up the Sony last night, it looks great so far. Been fiddling a bit with the setting and am pretty happy with the current ones. I had it all set up in about 15 minutes from box to watching it. 32" looks ginormous compared to the old 20" set.
 
Glad you like it, and that looks like a pretty decent price too!
I need to say I'm in Canada so everything is a bit more expensive than on your side of the border :P

For Bestbuy I don't know about their policies in the US but in Canada it's pretty dead simple -> you return under 30days you get refunded and that's it :P

But you just can't beat Costco for return policies :D


Have fun with your new TV anyways!

O.
 
I bought a Samsung M87 40" two years ago. I'm still delighted with it. I've gone the whole home cinema route. It's really brought my DVD collection to life and I go to the actual cinema much less often as I now prefer to watch films at home.
It replaced a Sony 26" CRT which lasted 7 years before breaking down. I didn't even try to have it fixed. For the first few months the 40" screen seemed absolutely HUGE, but I'm used to it now and next time will go even bigger, 46" or 50".
I'm a gamer, Xbox 360 and it's wonderful for that. I also have just about every console ever made as I used to be really into retro gaming and it breathes new life into things like the 3DO and Neo Geo.
In short, Samsung is very good as several of my friends can attest. Also hear good things about Sony but as you know, you'll always pay a little more for that badge.
 
I just got my Sony Bravia 52" V-series today. She looks great. And a Sony Blu-Ray player. And tomorrow I will get hooked up to hi-def satellite. And Saturday night I will be playing UFC 100.

Yee haw.
 
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