Learn me about these Trangia stoves

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I've been poking around online a bit. I see there is the 25-5 which is good for 3+ people and then the 27-5 appears smaller. Are there other models that I should be looking at? I see nothing but great reviews for these stoves.

I will be backpacking/woods bumming with my boys, so one would imagine I'd need a bigger set-up.

P.S. Can anyone recommend an online retailer for these? Besides Dunham's we don't have many brick & mortar's here in my area. Thanks!
 
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Same burner in the different models. The difference between them is the pots and pans.

I have the Trangia Mini as I don't need all the pots and pans that come with the other sets. The only cookware I take afield is the Trangia Mini pot and lid (I use it regardless of the stove I'm carrying) and a GSI cup. You can get the Trangia Mini without pot/lid/handle for about $15-$20. With pot/lid/handle for about $30.

The only thing you'll need with the Trangia Mini is a proper windshield which you can buy (the MSR windshield is a good one) or which you can make from an aluminum cookie sheet from the Dollar store or grocery store.
 
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The 25 and 27 series are complete sets. They come in a variety of finishes. Standard aluminium, non stick teflon and ultralite hard anodised aluminiun.

Extras are nesting kettles, strainer/cutting boards, and gas burner inserts. You can also buy replacement pots, pans, burners.

The 25 is the original group / soldier system. The 27 is a smaller version for smaller meals. I have a vintage standard aluminium 25 for group outings and a 27 HA for lighter solo stuff. I also have the kettles but don't necessarily carry them.

I don't personally have a need for non stick pans or gas inserts but others like them. There is a lot of personal preference involved. They wouldn't make a whole lineup if there was one ultimate configuration.

The mini replaces the stand/windscreen of the larger models with a pot stand. It's aimed at the light weight camper. Nothing wrong with that either. You get a lighter system at the expense of a less stable, less windproof base. Your fuel consumption might also go up with the mini depending on if you believe trangia marketing on the benefits of having the windscreen (bellows effect).
 
You use the simmer ring to adjust the size of the flame.

You can't use solid fuels (if that is what you mean by fuel bars?) with the 25 or 27. Or at least it was not designed with that in mind.
 
FYI: the best fuel to use for alcohol camping stoves is HEET (yellow bottle) which is gas-line antifreeze and pure alcohol. Look for it in gas stations and automotive sections of department stores.
 
I've had a Trangia burner on wages for ages. I like them for some things but I happy to be brutally warts and all about what is crap about them.

First, consider whether you really want a genuine Trangia and why. A Trangia burner is made from brass, so it is a lump. There are loads of me-too versions on the market that are made from other stuff. There is no reason at all why a clone burner will not burn as well made from steel, aluminium or titanium.

You can achieve most of the burning action that a Trangia commonly does with a Super Cat stove, and have the advantage of needing no further pot support. A] Take one soft cat food tin, B] punch holes in it with a paper hole punch. C] tip in fuel and set on fire, D] plonk pot on top.
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Stick a screen of aluminium foil round it and away you go.

With a Trangia burner you'll be carrying something many many times heavier than a Super Cat and a bit of foil, mebe needlessly. In fact, as I write I am genuinely wondering whether a pillowcase full of Super Cats would be lighter than my Trangia burner. Not something that has occurred to me before, but now it has, it amuses me that toss a coin is as good as my best guess.

Notice how I hedged with “mebe needlessly”? Regulating the flame on an active Trangia burner ranges between PITA and waste of time. The heat output of the fuel is so poor you will invariably use a Trangia in flat out mode. Sure that isn't in stone, and a skilled user can coax more from them. In the same way one can make pizza by burning candles under a cookie tin one can bake with a Trangia if one brings a bunch of other stuff. Essentially, all the other bits in a Trangia set are a bunch of modified cake tins to enable you to be able to do more than what a Super Cat can do. It's all about trying to preserve the precarious bit of warmth the burner produces. Short version – if you have a bunch of other stuff you can set the regulator [no different to putting a rock across the hole] of the burner on low before you start, and you can do slow stuff. For all practical purposes you can probably dump the idea of regulating the heat once it is lit.

I really can't emphasise strongly enough how poor the heat output of a Trangia burner is. They are hideously inefficient compared to alternatives. Sure you can get more out of them by doing a mod that pressurises the fuel, and that'll pump out more heat, but that fuel is what it is, and it is low on BTU. That means you'll get through a lot of it. It also means it is terrible in the cold, as in really awful. That's probably counterintuitive given where they come from. Don't trip on that. If someone made a stove that ran like an old oil lamp with a frond from a mop running into a bowl of rendered penguin fat it would not be excellent for cooking. All those aluminium cans that surround the brain are to try to claw back something from the hideous deficiencies. Without all the scaffolding a breeze stronger than a good fart is nearly catastrophic for a Trangia burner.

True, Trangias are very popular with unsophisticated, heavy handed, or just plain dim folks. If you want something for military use that's hard to break then splendid. If he doesn't lose the parts even the most dopey member of the squad can boil. Good enough. Likewise, they are very popular here with outbound courses, youth groups, and D of E stuff. It's stuff that needs to work to some degree over and over, just like the 8oz yd² rubberised waterproof jackets they hand out at adventure centers to get kids through the weekend. You can jump off a table and land on a Trangia set with clogs on and you'll still be able to get it working. You could leave it at the bottom of a lake all week, and when you drag it out it'll still work. If you want longevity, or simplicity, or idiot proof, or all three, these are great.

Be clear in that I'm not saying they are only for the unsophisticated, heavy handed, or just plain dim folks. I am saying that the ruggedness they have is foil to those people. And I strongly believe that accounts for a good portion of their popularity. In that respect it is a bit like wool, sure there are some merits we can honestly explore, but the lion's share of what makes it trendy among some groups is that in the woods they are too dipshit to find other ways to keep warm without setting themselves on fire. As a consequence they suffer all those weight and bulk penalties etc. I am certain there are a few others we can be more charitable about though.

For myself, well I like all sorts of stoves: Most the time I use some sort of canister stove. There are problem with those too, but modern canister stoves are so good a lot of the old complaints that used to be valid have fallen away. They can be quick, simple, stable, reliable, and with a degree of fine adjustment that makes cooking interesting stuff a breeze. And they can operate at merrily at a wide temperature range. Apart from the persistent issue of the part canister they are about as good as it gets for me most of the time. If it is hugely below 0º I'll break out the 442 and run that on Aspen 4T, and suffer the drawbacks with pressured petrol stoves. Below is how my Trangia ended up.

It's not all there 'cos this is just a repost image I've used before. There's a lid that goes on top of the cup. In the cup I also have a bit of foil that makes the wind shield and a bit of foam. The foam is on double duty. The cut down SIGG bottle stands on it to slow the heat robbing transfer of the ground that Trangias are so sensitive to. It's also the last thing that goes in under the lid when I pack it away and put a tredder tube rubber band over it. It stops any kind of rattling, that I am extremely sensitive to.

This is still my current favourite micro system for use on the bike after 4 years. I've meddled with tiny handbag hairspray sized blowlamp canisters up Rocket stoves, and that worked OK but I prefer this. As I said above a Super Cat would confer considerable weight advantage and do away with the pot stand. You can't carry fuel in a Super Cat though and with a Trangia you can. And this is more wind resistant when I surround with foil compared to a Super Cat and foil. And a Super Cat will need to have insulation from the ground to ideally. No need for a further part elsewhere or to improvise something when I have something in the cup. 90% I use this to make couscous and coffee, the rest of the time noodles. I can push it a bit more by using a Reflectix cosy. Boil water, stick it in cosy, chuck in couscous and lumps, put cosy lid on and go do something else for a bit. On the bike it allows me to go a bit more than what my Thermos King can do, yet stops short of cooking something proper on a stove. In those 4 years I've tried to beat this system for this niche and I haven't managed to yet.

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So what you are saying is you broke an idiot proof system? Smart. :)

(Sorry. Had to throw a bit of muck back on behalf of all us heavy handed, unsophisticated, dim folk)

DIY ultralight is not the only way. :D
 
So what you are saying is you broke an idiot proof system? Smart. :)

(Sorry. Had to throw a bit of muck back on behalf of all us heavy handed, unsophisticated, dim folk)

DIY ultralight is not the only way. :D

Play fair, sideways:
"Be clear in that I'm not saying they are only for the unsophisticated, heavy handed, or just plain dim folks. I am saying that the ruggedness they have is foil to those people. And I strongly believe that accounts for a good portion of their popularity.
 
Aye, perhaps I was a bit harsh. No hard feeling baldtaco?

It's fair comment that other stove fuels are faster. And that you can save weight by using only the alcohol burner and a pot stand. That is essentially what the trangia mini cookset is.

And to be fair a large part of why I like the trangia sets is the simplicity and reliability. But I'm going to have to insist on calling it elegant simplicity... :D

If OP would like to have a look at other systems this page offers a great rundown.
http://zenstoves.net/StoveSystems.htm
 
You can achieve most of the burning action that a Trangia commonly does with a Super Cat stove, and have the advantage of needing no further pot support. A] Take one soft cat food tin, B] punch holes in it with a paper hole punch. C] tip in fuel and set on fire, D] plonk pot on top.


I just made something like this from a Bush's Baked Beans can. If it works, I'll call it my Super Bean stove! Got some Heet in the basement, can't wait to try it out.
 
At the risk of a dangerous Google; I tried all sorts of things including tuna cans. I don't know the maths but I'm fairly sure it was no good 'cos of the size of the ports I put in relative to can size. One of my better efforts was small holes in a stainless egg cup. I thought that looked really good, and it was light but still tough. Instability got it sacked. Be lucky.
 
I tried several minimal systems and ended up with the trangia 27 set, despite its increased bulk and weight.

Why? I found out I was reinventing the trangia features one by one. What happens when it's so windy a foil screen doesn't work? When there is such uneven terrain it needs a broader base than a pop can? When it's cold enough the burner should be raised off the ground? The trangia set has built in, easy solutions to all these and more. And it doesn't add much weight or bulk on top of the pot/pan since it stacks with them.

When I'm not going far, into terrain I know well, and predictable weather, I take a minimal DIY setup. But when there are any unknowns, I take the set.
 
Before you spend money on a stove try a Supercat stove and a cheap canister stove. A Supercat stove costs nothing and you can get a canister stove for around $5 or so on ebay - it'll weigh an ounce or two more than the expensive ones. After you try those two you might want to buy a more expensive stove, or you might well find you don't any more.

Make a windscreen from a foil cookie sheet and a large paper clip. You need a windscreen.
 
What needs to be said, largely has been. with the only other thought being the size of the pots as a consideration for what you are cooking, how much, and for how many troops. A lot of the canister stoves, particularly the ones that sit on top the canister, suffer from not being as stable as other designs when it comes to using wider, heavier pots. The micro-rocket could likely handle a 2L pot, but you'd want to be careful, that's for sure. a ground based stove is going to be more stable. A lot of the mini-stoves have the solo hiker in mind, where the trangia from the beginning is a squad unit. Not to say that is always an advantage or disadvantage. Simmering with a trangia isn't as bad as stated, but it is a one-shot deal, you kinda have to know what you are going to want to get that to work for you.

Feeding three from dehy-pouches is going to be pretty easy no matter what you do. Eating real food, a different story, In which case I'd be going for a kovea spider or moonwalker style (or msr windpro2) stove to get both the stability, and the ability to simmer easily.

horses for courses and all that. what you use for pots and the like will also make a difference for how you go about it. a diy alchy stove will at least give you an idea of the output, and what you have to work with.
 
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