Leather Leather; Why?

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My only question after years of collecting blades of various sizes, is why still use leather? Pretty well guaranteed to rust the blade by the next couple days no matter how much oil you slather in there at least in my experience. I guess I'm just crusty at the moment because my new Von Tempsky is forming dark spots of oxidation despite an almost inhuman slathering of mineral oils and wax.
 
My only question after years of collecting blades of various sizes, is why still use leather? Pretty well guaranteed to rust the blade by the next couple days no matter how much oil you slather in there at least in my experience. I guess I'm just crusty at the moment because my new Von Tempsky is forming dark spots of oxidation despite an almost inhuman slathering of mineral oils and wax.

Never had that happen and I live in an incredibly humid state... but I've also never had a sheath where the knife is laying flat against the leather.

Only speaking to veg tanned experience.
 
Never had that happen and I live in an incredibly humid state... but I've also never had a sheath where the knife is laying flat against the leather.

Only speaking to veg tanned experience.
Man you're lucky lol, I truly do envy you. I'm at the point where I'd rather have a glass reinforced sheath instead, easier for me to redo the edge as opposed to cleaning rust spots ever second day. I got kids and animals so leaving a sharp object out in the open is kinda out of the question but I might not have a choice in the matter if even ren-wax isn't preventing rust. Just wish leather wasn't so corrosive all the time.
 
Certain leathers can, other leathers do not. The old thoughts that veg tan is safe and chrome tanned leather can cause corrosion is a wives tale as their are leathers of both types that will cause corrosion and their leathers of both types that won't. This has been discussed at great length multiple times in the past here but a lil refresher won't hurt.

I built this holster many years ago. Its a prototype of my Rangeflap Holster.I think it was the second one I ever did.

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It is completely lined with a chrome tanned, oil tan leather, a type of chap leather. For over a decade this Ruger Old Model Vaquero lived in this holster.

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I kept this gun loaded and in the holster ready to be grabbed at a moments notice in case something happened at the ranch and I had to deal with an injured or downed cow or a horse. While there is certainly some holster wear there is no corrosion or rusting on this handgun as you can see in the pic.

While this Smith and Wesson Mod 36 didn't live in the holster, during the summer time it was a primary carry at the ranch for years. While this handgun shows even more holster wear as it is a much older gun and I have carried it in this holster and several others since 1983 when I traded for it.

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This lil revolver to this day is often my primary carry gun at the ranch in the summertime. In Cowboyese a snubbie revolver is called a snake gun. They handle snake shot very well so the first round is snake shot and the rest are normal bullets.

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Then on the other hand I kept this cheap ass but obvious veg tan leather cartridge belt loaded up. This was a common commercial brand (I don't make cartridge belts). The leather was very heavily oiled, good right? Not so much:

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So anyhoo.

Leather can attract moisture in certain conditions and so I never recommend storing a knife in a sheath. That being said I do all the time with lots of knives and I don't have any problems but I do live in a semi arid climate.

Some thoughts on knife protection as a knife maker as well as a sheath maker. While I use to use Ren Wax years ago I quit it. Got to thinking lets see, Ren Wax is designed to preserve things that are in a optimum climate controlled situation and are handled literally with white gloves. We call these places museums. Not how I use my knives, nor pistols. Years ago, like 15 years ago I switched to Mother's Carnauba Car Wax. Lets see, its designed to protect metal in hot sun, freezing conditions, rain, snow, mud, sleet, dust high winds etc, ya name it. No climate control or white gloves in real life. Every knife I make has 2 or 3 coats of this wax on it before it ships out of this rancho. When I do a show it tends to be at cowboy events like a rodeo, or a roping etc. As a vendor you are usually outside and it is gonna be dusty, windy perhaps and just not the sterile conditions of a knife show inside some conference room at a motel. Just ain't. I can put my stock away and when I set up the booth next day clean off the knives easily with out causing damage. Nichole and I at the last show we did, our local rodeo:

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Or another show and while in a tent still on gravel and very dusty:

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Anyhoo. I would say your experience is not typical. Can you post pics of the knives and the sheaths so we can have a look see and figure something out?
 
I have never had rusting issues with leather except for one time when I got absolutely drenched in a rain storm. Leather is great if it is good leather. Bad leather sheaths are awful, but that is why I avoid them.
Leather is more comfortable on my side than plastic since it moves easier, and it looks nice. Thats why I like leather sheaths.
 
Leather is the best and I've never had an issue with rust.
I have an early queen #85 that lived in it's leather sheath for about 100 years straight without rusting ( sheath was dried out and is gone now though ) , and I have a western f48a that has been in it's sheath almost 60 years at this point without rusting.

It depends on the leather, and of course whether the knife was put away wet.
Probably things like the types of dyes can play a factor I'm sure.
 
I have had my Finnish puukkos in their leather sheaths for many, many years with no problems with rust. The are Bark Tanned (?) . I live in Washington State , on the West side of the Mountains and we get lots of rain here. John
 
I have had issues with leather getting mold or mildew on it plenty of times but the knives inside stayed rust free. In my experience oiled leather draws more moisture than very dry feeling leather. I have gotten some spotty dark spots on blades, the beginnings of rust in kydex sheaths made myself and from professionals.
 
Knives can rust just as good in kydex sheath. Happened to me in my latest hiking trip (not bad and nothing that couldn't be fixed).
 
I seal all my leather sheaths with SnowSeal to prevent them from absorbing moisture. I also wipe down my knives with BreakFree CLP before storing them in the sheath.
 
I have never had a leather sheath be the cause of any corrosion on any of my knives, and I have carried a lot of non- stainless blades in leather in inclement weather for many years.
 
If I put the knife away dry and clean, before a long period of non-use, and its sitting in a drawer in my house, then I've never had an issue in virtually any kind of leather. My longest stretch has been an 11 year period of storage.

If the knife was stored dirty or moist or in a garage I would probably expect a different result.
 
Neglect is the key contributor to rust.. Followed by crap steel and crap leather. If you carried it today, wipe it off before putting it away. If its a show piece you have a bunch of choices to use for protection.....
Granted there's always an exception to the rule, but as they say " An ounce of prevention "!!!!
 
in my experience, significant fluctuations in temperature also invite corrosion, mildew and rot. Best to store your cherished goods in an environment with a stable temperature
 
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